Tuesday, March 31, 2009


I was wondering if this latest salmonella outbreak might of been what got Connie and some of her family sick a few weeks ago? She ended up having a big- time vomiting and poop event that put her down for about 3 days.

Her mother and a few of her other relatives got the same thing. They all were involved in a little food event at her mothers house but not everybody got sick. The map on the Sacramento Bee web site only shows one case of salmonella up here, but you have to wonder if there was only one reported?

Maybe not, though, as I've heard from people outside the state that complained of some stomach bug. Maybe it was just a stomach flu?

As an aside, something I learned while looking into this salmonella thing: I guess there's a potential outbreak of it each spring due to kids handling baby chickens and ducks that are passed around and given away during Easter. The Center for Disease Control say kids under five should never handle baby chicks and ducks because of the salmonella threat.

I never knew that.



At 3:44 PM, Blogger Rose said...

Makes you wonder how mankind ever survived. All those farms all those years. All those people who raised their own food for so many many many years.

We're a nation of wimps. Whiners and wimps. So divorced from reality it is sad.

At 4:03 PM, Anonymous Chris Crawford said...

They've quarantined my pistachios, Fred ... I'm not sure I can last too long.

At 9:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like someone forgot to wash their hands.

At 11:19 AM, Anonymous Mr. Nice said...


The salmonella in poultry poop is due to the rotten conditions these birds are born in. As a society, we choose between cheap and safe. If we buy cheap poultry products, we should expect deadly bacteria and viruses.

At 11:51 AM, Blogger Fred said...

Except there's considerable debate as to what conditions favor salmonella as seen it the arguing over Prop 2 last election.

Free range poultry growers claim their method is safest. Cage farmers claim their method is safest. I suspect the cage farmers were more correct.

At 12:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There has been a stomach flu going around that is not caused by salmonella.

The current pistachio deal was caused by a mix of roasted nuts with unroasted nuts that somehow was slipping by the people at the company.

At 1:36 PM, Anonymous Mr. Nice said...

To be clear, I don't separate caged factory farming from cage-free factory farming. Both are equally capable of producing infectious bacteria. The cage farmers claim is that they use sanitary methods which is code for antibiotics, growth hormones, and bizarre disinfectants courtesy of Monsanto.

I believe in liberty and that would have to include the rights of business to use whatever methods they need to in order to satisfy demand. I also believe in people's right to expose themselves to Salmonella, Campylobacter and E. coli in order to fulfill their craving for cheap poultry. I supported Prop 2 more as a symbol of awareness and education rather than the notion that it would accomplish anything with regulation. I truly support ending all government subsidy to factory farms and all farms for that matter as a potential solution to our food problems.

Personally, I have abstained from animal products entirely for well over ten years. This decision coincided with the time that I stopped believing in most liberal Democrat ideas. I stopped thinking that the government was ever going to solve our food problems for us and took it upon myself to solve my own food problems. Now I only have to concern myself with the possibility of manure cross-contaminating my food, not of eating a contaminated feces burger.

In any case, I suspect Norovirus for the incident that you describe. Salmonella poisoning usually takes over a week to show any serious symptoms whereas Norovirus produces intense symptoms in two days.

At 1:58 PM, Blogger Fred said...

Norovirus it probably was, then.

At 10:25 AM, Blogger Carol said...

My daughter got food poisoning last week after dining in a local establishment.

At 11:18 AM, Anonymous Mr. Nice said...

Carol, one thing to keep in mind is that if she fell ill the same day as eating at that establishment, the only thing you can rule out is that establishment giving her food poisoning.


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