Thursday, April 08, 2010

Maybe Of Interest

So this guy, who was kidnapped from Ukiah and held prisoner for years as a young kid, was helped in his escape by Steven Stayner. Does that last name sound familiar?

I thought so. His brother, Cary Stayner, was the one who killed our very own Carole and Julie Sund and Silvina Pelosso in those horrible murders in Yosemite back in 1997.


At 7:18 AM, Blogger Rose said...

If you think about it - Kenneth Parnell was guilty of those murders, just as much as Cary Stayner, in the sense that what he did when he took Steven Stayner was to destroy a family. The long range repercussions ended up affecting us all in the most horrific of ways.

Unimaginable harm. The penalties for taking and abusing children should be increased. It should not be tolerated in any way. The damage it does to society is incalculable.

At 7:25 AM, Blogger Fred said...

Well, one might think so, but here's an interesting quote from Cary Stayner's Wikipedia entry:

Stayner claimed after his arrest that he had fantasized about murdering women since the age of seven, long before the abduction of his brother.

If true, it might suggest Cary's life course had already taken its direction early on in life.

At 12:57 PM, Blogger Ernie Branscomb said...

More tragedy , right here close to home.

At 3:11 PM, Blogger Rose said...

Wow, Ernie! So sad.

At 3:24 PM, Blogger Fred said...

Not just sad. but scary. I was reading about that in the Ukiah Daily Journal yesterday (or was it the day before?). Last time I looked, most of the Topix comments on the story suggested the guy shouldn't of been charged with anything for his vigilante justice.

Seems to me that made a pretty good case for the easiest way to kill someone: Just accuse him of molesting you.

Lest anyone think there aren't false accusations in situations like these, we need to remember that lady that ran down and shot her son- in- law(?) to death because she thought he molested her granddaughter, or some such. Police say he didn't do any such thing, or so their investigation showed.

At 3:41 PM, Blogger Ernie Branscomb said...

I won't make a comment, pro or con, about vigilantism but the man had been turned-in many times and nothing was done about it. The mans folks and wife all said that the man that shot him should not be punished. I’m no lawyer, but I think that there is a law that says that if the officers of the law fail to protect you, that you have a right to protect yourself.

That is what is so interesting about this case. At what point should a killing like this be called “self defense”, or “justifiable homicide”?

If Carol Sund had shoot her attacker, would it have been called self defense?

At 4:28 PM, Blogger Rose said...

One of many sad things about the Stayner thing is that after he murdered people in cold blood, the hotel owner who employed him was sued.

The hotel owner did nothing wrong, aside from employing a guy. The hotel owner was well known in town and well-liked, especially known for helping people.

Employing Stayner was generally a good thing, he had had a hard life after the harm done to his family. He had no known issues that would indicate he was anything other than a nice guy and a sympathetic figure. If he had, he wouldn't have been hired. His statements in that article are a little hard to believe.

It really wasn't fair to sue the hotel owner.

Stayner and Parnell on the other hand deserve the death penalty, eternal damnation - and alot more. Instead, Parnell only got seven years in prison for the White kidnapping and then the maximum allowed by law for the second, 20 months. Some laws need to change.

It's sad to read that Timmy White has died. Steven Stayner also died young. So tragic.

At 11:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So much well-deserved hatred for horrible criminals. And yet so much less hatred for people who start wars that ruin hugely larger numbers of families.

WMD, anyone?


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