Monday, August 23, 2010

Raw Milk

The Board of Supes is going to hear from supporters of raw milk on Tuesday. Supporters want to repeal the ordinance prohibiting the sale of raw milk in the county. More power to them, I guess, since I don't like the idea of the government telling people what they can eat, drink or smoke.

Raw milk isn't for me, though. I actually bought a small bottle of raw milk at some health food store in Southern CA over 30 years ago. I wasn't impressed, especially with all the cream that formed at the top of the bottle. Yuck!

But, aside from that, you can just call me paranoid. I wouldn't of thought much about raw milk until I read the story about a gal in Del Norte County that was paralyzed and nearly died from drinking raw milk (part 2 of the story here, part 3 here).

I realize that doesn't happen to everyone. Nobody else buying milk from that diary got sick, but that's enough to scare me off. Especially since I don't like raw milk, anyway.

Addendum: Ooops! Almost forgot to include a link to one of the proponent's My Word column in support of repealing the ordinance that appeared in yesterday's Times- Standard.


At 3:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred I didn't know where to put this, but thought you might be interested.

At 5:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Louis Pasteur saved the life of a child in France when he developed the process of heating raw milk to kill toxic bacteria in it. First one child, then thousands. The process of Pasteurization spread across the world as loving parents discovered a way to protect their children from illness and death from this food-borne illness.

Now these local fools want to make raw milk legal. After all, they argue, it is our right to eat what we want.

Before the County Supervisors decide to vote on this issue, they had damn well better answer this question: Will these raw milk enthusiasts be permitted to feed this dangerous raw milk to their children?

At 7:41 PM, Anonymous Mr. Nice said...

Raw milk is fine, it should be legal. If folks get sick, that's their own bad for drinking it.

That said, the pro-raw milk lobby are idiots. They point out that in the US only 85 out of 1614 serious food-borne illness reports were from raw milk (wall st. journal fda stats). Yeaa... 85 vs. 1529 when those 1529 people mostly prolly got sick off of common food like fish and chicken. And yet 85 people got sick off raw milk which is mostly consumed by a tiny minority of folks who believe it is some some kinna magic potion. The pro-raw milk shit is just people who drink gallons of milk trying to find a belief system to make it good for them instead of it just making them constipated.

Still, no doubt raw milk tastes good so should therefore be totally legal. I don't think it is even necessary for them to say it is not pasteurized since pasteurized milk usually says that anyway. Milk itself is not great for people just look at all these fat Americans. Maybe it'd be a good thing if people were scared.

At 8:05 PM, Blogger mresquan said...

"Louis Pasteur saved the life of a child in France when he developed the process of heating raw milk to kill toxic bacteria in it. First one child, then thousands. The process of Pasteurization spread across the world as loving parents discovered a way to protect their children from illness and death from this food-borne illness."

That could have been because of the practices at condensed,factory type farms.I would love to have the opportunity to buy raw milk,but I would never do so from any factory type farm.

At 7:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The lady that got sick had a weird allergic reaction to the milk. She then sued and won big money from the dairy.

At 7:07 AM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

I believe I read they made a settlement with the dairy's insurance company.

At 7:35 AM, Anonymous Mr. Nice said...

mresquan indeed it was at the dawn of cow factories that milk started being more poison.

It's a circle. Like when hydro first started going big and folks knew pythium was icing their tomato crops. So, folks started pouring just enough unstable h2o2 in to kill everything except the roots. These days nobody who is smart uses h2o2 because folks have realized that if they inject oxygen, the aerobic bacteria multiply and kill pythium. Same shit for milk. If you inject cattle with drugs to counteract the lack of airspace in order to fight off bacteria, the bad bacteria can take over and multiply. After all, a sterile environment is ideal for bacteria to grow. Raw milk from open-air animals most def has "good" bacteria in it killing off "bad" ones. How else would calves be able to drink it?

But still is weak when these Weston A. Price morons claim raw milk is good as in "God's creation." Cows are a human creation. No other animal downs milk after they grow up. No other animal drinks milk from other animals. Hell even most humans don't do that. That ain't God, that is white people.

At 11:14 AM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

No other animal downs milk after they grow up.

Maybe so, but I can't imagine live without mozzarella cheese.

At 7:21 AM, Anonymous Mr. Nice said...

Real mozzarella is made from water buffalo milk.

At 6:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

May I have your attention please?

A recall of cheese products was just announced. The products listed are RAW milk products.

This message has been brought to you in the interest of your health and also on behalf of the "I told you so" industry, flourishing around the globe since time immemorial.

At 10:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. The milk that the lady drank was ILLEGAL raw milk. This is what people have to buy if they want raw milk because clean safe raw milk is banned.

2. Raw milk in California is not the same as raw milk in the other states. Each state sets the standards for milk and raw milk and California has the strictest standards in the country.

3. California raw milk has to be even cleaner than pasteurized milk
(10,000 per mil vs 15,000 per milk for pasteruized!). Wouldn't it make sense to have clean fresh safe milk that started out that way, instead of milk that is produced dirty (over 100,000 per mil!!) then cooked to make clean, but still doesn't have to be as clean as raw?

4. If raw milk, which is required in the state to have lower bacteria counts than pasteurized, is banned, shouldn't pasteurized milk be banned as well? Because with higher pathogen counts, it is actually less safe than raw!

5. The consumers want the product. This isn't milk out of some dairy's tank; only 2 cow dairys in the whole state are producing California approved raw milk, so obviously this isn't a huge market, and it's also very very hard to keep such high standards.
The consumer's choice here is to either get milk shipped in from out of county at great cost ( and no benefit to the local economy) or to buy unsafe backyard milk, which is what happened to the lady in CC.

Raw California milk, in fact just like all milk produced in California, is held to much higher standards than milk or raw milk from other states.

There has never been a health issue that has been proven to come from California Legal ( new law, btw) raw milk. But pasteurized milk....all the time.

All raw milk is NOT THE SAME!!!!

At 10:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Milk is for white people? I guess all of those indigenous people in India and Africa who drink milk learned it from us whities. Oh and all the whities that started using dairy products 12,000 years ago. In Africa.

At 11:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Pasteurized cheese recall

I think pasteurized products should be banned.

Meat recall

Meat should be banned

Egg recall

No eggs either

Spinach recall

Oh no, vegs too?

Life is dangerous.

At 12:13 AM, Anonymous Dr. Paul Blake, N.D. said...

I would like to nail this down real good here so there is no doubt about just how wrong the FDA is.

Vonderplanitz and Campbell Douglass’s testimony on Raw Milk, this is probably the best reference for anyone who wants the truth about Raw vs Pasteurized Milk so they can make up their own minds using the scientific facts. Below are just two interesting tidbits from this report that drives a stake right where it belongs between the eyes of the FDA.

Throughout USA, for nearly 40 years, millions of people drank over 3 billion glasses of Alta Dena Dairy’s raw milk and there was not one epidemic, and not one proved case of foodborne illness because of it (Exhibit K, p. 58).

Some Outbreaks Attributed to Bacterial Food-poisoning from PASTEURIZED MILK..16
• 1945?1,492 cases for the year in the U.S.A.
• 1945?1 outbreak, 300 cases in Phoenix, Arizona.
• 1945?Several outbreaks, 468 cases of gastroenteritis, 9 deaths, in Great Bend, Kansas.
• 1978?1 outbreak, 68 cases in Arizona.
• 1982?over 17,000 cases of yersinia enterocolitica in Memphis, Tenn.
• 1982?172 cases, with over 100 hospitalized from a three-Southern-state area.
• 1983?1 outbreak, 49 cases of listeriosis in Massachusetts.
• 1984?August, 1 outbreak S. typhimurium, approximately 200 cases, at one plant in Melrose
Park, IL.
• 1984?November, 1 outbreak S. typhimurium, at same plant in Melrose Park, IL.
• 1985?March, 1 outbreak, 16,284 confirmed cases, at same plant in Melrose Park, IL.
• 1985?197,000 cases of antimicrobial-resistant Salmonella infections from one dairy in
• 1985?1,500+ cases, Salmonella culture confirmed, in Northern Illinois.
• 1993?2 outbreaks statewide, 28 cases Salmonella infection.
• 1994?3 outbreaks, 105 cases, E. Coli & Listeria in California.
• 1995?1 outbreak, 3 cases in California.
• 1996?2 outbreaks Campylobactor and Salmonella, 48 cases in California.
• 1997?2 outbreaks, 28 cases Salmonella in California.

Take that FDA and put it where the sun does not shine.

Dr. Paul Blake, N.D.
“If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.” ~Thomas Jefferson


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