Thursday, November 30, 2006

NORML Comes To HSU

Actually they're already there. The Humboldt State University Chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws with be doing its first Conference Day on Friday at HSU. There's one Lefty/ Libertarian type meeting that I can get behind.

The one thing that bugs me about NORML, and even the Marijuana Policy Project, is they're of the "tax and regulate" school of thought on how to deal with the drug war, or at least marijuana. You can imagine how that makes this libertarian's skin crawl.

That said, that's probably the only realistic way to get the vast majority of people to consider ending the marijuana wars. The idea of just leaving people alone who grow or smoke pot is still foreign to most folks and likely will be for some time.
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Local Green Party gadfly, David Cobb, always in search of the limelight, seems to have found a spot for himself at the meeting. Hopefully we'll hear something new from him.

I'll have to admit I find his My Word columns a bit old, having heard much of what he has to say before, though not necessarily from him. Then again, I suppose many of you have heard much of what I've said on this blog before, so perhaps I'm the pot calling the kettle black?
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Speaking of David Cobb, wasn't there mention on one of the other blogs of the Times- Standard not running his My Word columns anymore? Looks like whoever said that might have been wrong.

69 Comments:

At 9:48 AM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

So what does Cobb have to say about local people paying less wages with less benfits then the evil huge monster chains? I mean his "feelgood" idea comes down to the fact that employees must bite a bullet to work for a local employer who will more likey cut every corner to make a profit for him or herself and screw the employee out of raises or just basic things.

 
At 9:54 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

Wow! For once I agree with Anon. Cobb is nothing more than an egotistical carpetbagger who will use everyone around him in order to perpetuate his own fading legacy. The last thing NORML needs is some pseudo green democrat hanging around.

Hell, probably the only reason he showed up is to find a dealer who'd sell it to him cheaper.

 
At 10:06 AM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Speaking of college silliness, seems College of the Redwoods CSEA 509 has appointed a new president and called off the vote, two weeks before it is to have happened. Kick Ass!

 
At 10:13 AM, Blogger Heraldo said...

Speaking of David Cobb, wasn't there mention on one of the other blogs of the Times- Standard not running his My Word columns anymore?

That was me, only I was complaining about ALL of the editorials not appearing on-line. The T-S is uploading them now, only not under the Opinion banner. You have to click on the columnists name. The only trick to that is remembering which columnist is published on which day.

 
At 10:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

snivel snivel snivel ...... give it up heraldo

 
At 11:04 AM, Blogger Heraldo said...

Gee, so sensitive.

 
At 1:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey heraldo, are you going to make the NORML meeting, or party?

It has been my experience that stoners are such whimps! Whining, sniveling, girlymen. Kind of like heraldo. And they have man boobs. What is up with that?

 
At 3:48 PM, Blogger Shane said...

I'm still not sure about legalization. Still undecided. If it gets legalized it will be one more harmful drug that corporations can push on our children. We should certainly decriminalize it so that users don't go to prison. But legalization is a far more complex issue than most leftists and libertarians make it out to be.

 
At 4:02 PM, Blogger Carol Ann said...

Rather than taxing it, how about growers could pay for a permit to grow it? We pay $12 a year for a county burn permit to burn yard debris. One can also buy a permit to cut a tree in the Six Rivers Forest for Christmas. The funds raised could go after the scourge, methamphetamine. Just my 2 cents.

 
At 4:57 PM, Blogger Shane said...

Nick said:

"The last thing NORML needs is some pseudo green democrat hanging around."

The last thing NORML needs is to exist. I'm sure this comment will come back to haunt me someday when some hippies get mad that I'm anti-pot and won't vote for me for something. But seriously people... go work on something that is worth your time and energy. Pot activism is lame.

 
At 5:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

a permit to grow marijuana? wow, we have a rocket scientist in our midst!

 
At 5:10 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Great, Shane has gone X-edge on us. That's funny.

 
At 5:21 PM, Blogger Shane said...

It's not like it happened all of a sudden. 5 years now. It's just that nobody ever bothered to ask until yesterday on Richard's blog. And NORML just really happens to annoy me, regardless of my personal lifestyle choice.

What's so funny about being edge anyway?

 
At 5:32 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

You mean to tell me they couldn't tell when you started putting huge black X on your hands you were X-edge? What are they teaching people around here? Anyway, I haven't met a X-edger that wasn't "in-your-face" about it.

 
At 5:41 PM, Blogger Shane said...

I really only wear the X when I go to shows. It's not like I'm going to go to Democrat of the Year with them on my hands and beat the crap out of people for drinking. It's a personal choice. I'm only "in-your-face" if you try to push the stuff on me.

I think you should try out the sXe lifestyle. Maybe it would help you find some clarity and purpose.

 
At 6:34 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

What makes you think that I don't already live that way? I have clarity and purpose ya know.

 
At 6:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think that when people voted for 215 that they thought it meant the law would allow renters to take over a house and use it for a pot grow with no consequences.

Shane's right about unintended consequences.

 
At 7:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lest we forget, Mr Cobb and his cohort at DUHC bought $400+ worth of inkjet printer cartridges at Staples and $150+ worth of food for a campaign event at Costco for their Measure T campaign. Some testimony for shopping at local non-corporate stores, eh? These amounts were reported in their campaign finance disclosure forms and attributed to Cobb and Sopoci-Belknap personally. Cobb, for sure, has a Costco card as that expense was attributed to him.

Typical leftist bourgoisie "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. And which former Green Party presidential candidates drives an SUV? Wanna guess?

The beat goes on ...

Chris Crawford

 
At 7:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this the Chris Crawford the lefties villianize for not winning any campaigns? 3 wins 1 lose in these Eureka races. Come on Liberals, say good job Chris! Kills ya don't it.

 
At 8:30 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Lest we forget, Mr Cobb and his cohort at DUHC bought $400+ worth of inkjet printer cartridges at Staples and $150+ worth of food for a campaign event at Costco for their Measure T campaign

Why didn't they use the store in Arcata or McKinleyville Office Supply? Some reason that these stores aren't "local" enough for them?

Which SUV does he drive? I guess Richard Salzman also drives a SUV, both which crack me up.

 
At 9:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good job Chris

Those angry voices carrying on the wind have abated for the moment.

Maybe topping off at costco

Now the job begins

 
At 10:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does CPUSA approve or disapprove pot activism?

 
At 10:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The picture in the Eureka Reporter shows pro-pot protesters tromping on one of HSU's well-maintained lawns the day after torrential rains.

That is how a group of people endears itself to our community?

By muddying up our lawns and leaving footprints in the sod?

 
At 12:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

pot smokers don't give a shit about anything but smoking dope.

 
At 12:33 AM, Blogger Shane said...

"Does CPUSA approve or disapprove pot activism?"

I don't remember them ever having a position. Kind of funny since they seem to have a position on everything else. I was always more involved with the YCL, which was full of alcoholics. Of course there was never any real effort to get the kids to stop drinking since it's easier to keep them around and recruit more when there is liquor involved. A lot of cigarette smokers too. I remember being at an official YCL "study group" and everybody was smoking. After a long debate they agreed to wait until after the meeting. That organization is such a useless piece of crap.

 
At 4:11 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

shane, are you trying to mingle christian dogmatism with punk rock???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_edge

"Straight edge is not a religion, it is a philosophy. Some straight edgers feel that having a clear mind is a better way to approach life and/or spirituality. Many are atheist, such as Good Clean Fun, or agnostic, often believing in personal-responsibility and rejecting the idea of a deity or any divine moral law. In many circles, the lifestyle has associations with spirituality—there were at one time significant Hare Krishna straight edge movements.

Christians involved in the punk/hardcore subculture sometimes consider themselves straight edge; indeed, the rejection of illicit substances, alcohol consumption (particularly underage), and premarital sex, is commonly encouraged by many mainstream churches and their youth groups. It should not be assumed, however, that the self-identification as straight edge is a casual replacement of one label with another. Prominent self-identified Christian straight edgers include the ex-bassist of Throwdown, at least one member of Comeback Kid, and at least one member of Stretch Arm Strong. There has also been criticism of Christians being involved within the straight edge community—reflected in songs such as "This Ain't No Cross On My Hand" by Limp Wrist, "Real Edgemen Hate Jesus" by XfilesX, and "Straight Edge Punks Not Christian Fucks" by Crucial Attack."

 
At 4:12 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

Straight Edge= a goofy little cult like mormonism or islam.

 
At 4:15 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

Man, I could do a whole story on Gangmember Shane. Does that school board you work on know they have a gangmember on their board making decisions?

"A subset of straight edge—often called hardline—had been involved in physical assaults in the United States during the 1980s and up to the mid 1990s.

Police in some communities—such as Salt Lake City and Reno—have classified straight edge as a gang due to violence associated with militant straight edge groups in these cities."

 
At 4:16 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

So shane, whilst straight edge doesn't condone drinking does it condone your wearing of pumps and your worship of audrey hepburn?

 
At 6:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hurwitz came from Texas to exploit our trees and Cobb came from Texas to exploit Progs dumb enough to go for his warmed-over earth first! leftover Leftist b.s.

And Norml? Continual sets of lawyers exploiting naive pot smokers with endless initiatives that go nowhere.

Cannabis Indica is legal. Always has been. Read the California Health and Safety Codes outlawing cannibis sativa only. If Norml people focused on this fact and the fact that there is a conspiracy of court judges to continue "outlawing" marijuana by claiming it was the "intent" of the law to cover all species. A very specious argument in the face of counterclaims of the law being used as entrapment for those who read the Calif Code literally and follow it's directive and grow the cannibis species not specified as illegal.

 
At 6:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is not surprising to me that Shane is anti-pot. When you fall for authoritarian ideologies such as the Communist one, invariably you get control freaks seeking power to impose their agenda on the rest.

Smoke some pot, Shane. Get in touch with your right brain hemisphere where spiritual consciousness is registered. Pot helps people do this. It will help balance out the left brain domination that always seeks the goal and not the journey.

 
At 6:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think there is any New Testament scripture that encourages pot smoking. Stay pure Shane. And also all the rest of you out there. I think God would want that.

 
At 6:24 AM, Anonymous Prophet of Bravo de Christos said...

There is no God but Bravo de Christos! Trully he will smite thee with his mighty force. Beware! Beware ye blasphemers!

 
At 10:09 AM, Blogger Shane said...

I am not hardline. Hardline is dead. Straight-Edge is not a gang, it is a philosophy. It has nothing to do with religion. Some people who claim edge are Christians, most aren't. It is unimportant. What is important is taking care of your body and mind and being a positive example for people you care about. I do however love Audrey Hepburn. Say what you will.

 
At 10:16 AM, Anonymous Groupie of Bravo De Christos said...

Bravo De Christos says it's a cult and you are no more than a blind follower.

 
At 11:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesus never said no to drugs.

"The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look, a gluttonous man and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners! But wisdom is justified by her children."
Mt 11:19

Those who fear losing control are always against drugs, and it is the same for authoritarian ideologies. Those who say it isn't "natural" to get high have not done their homework in the behavior of biological beings. Science has found that when given the opportunity, it seems every type of life form wants to "get high", change their consciousness. From insects to dogs to chimps to human beings, a great curiousity exists on changing one's mentality.

Intellectually there is the fact that more points of view brought to a problem make solution probability increase. "Two heads are better than one". If you do not know the other ways of "seeing" things than straight consciousness then your consciousness isn't going to be as holistic as someone's who can use both straight and alterated states to gain knowledge.

This isn't a blanket endorsement to run out and get stoned but a refutation of those who perennially trot out the "natural" consciousness argument which is a fiction. There is no "natural" straight consciousness. Only continually balancing states of mind affected by all sorts of chemical imput and internal behavioral response patterns.

 
At 12:09 PM, Blogger Shane said...

If someone doesn't want to mess up their life with drugs and end up like all the stoners they knew in high school, it makes them a control freak? Yeah right Steve! I was straight-edge before I even got involved with politics because I saw what drugs, drinking, and meaningless sex were doing to people I cared about. Not messing yourself up has nothing to do with a political agenda and everything to do with being a healthy and responsible human being. And did you just advocate that I do something illegal? The last thing I need is some washed-out 60s hippie pushing drugs on me.

 
At 12:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve, if your argument for drug use is based on what's seen in nature, then along with your religious convictions, you must be a big gay rights supporter too because homosexuality is completely natural.

 
At 12:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lesbian cows in my back yard are always humping each other.

 
At 12:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

10% homosexuality average in human populations across the board, across time. Abrahamic hatred of homosexuality was based on a lot on Jewish hatred and envy of Greece and Greek philosophers. They couldn't get at the philosophy so they did what Shane did above, the usual character assassination, the weapon of choice of those who have no rational argument.

Shane, why do you have to lump all students together who use pot or whatever? Don't you think those of us
"washed out hippies" went through the same high school/early college crazy days? Most went through it to the other side. Yes, it takes its toll for those who've haven't learned self-control except the hard way. But to blanketly condemn those who do alter their mental states is to condemn much, perhaps most of the culture, the art, the new ideas, the novelty that is produced altered states of consciousness. You need a list of famous druggies that have added immensely to our human cultural treasure? Get over yourself and, btw, learn some respect for your elders.

 
At 1:14 PM, Blogger Shane said...

You are going to tell me to smoke pot - something you know I am against - and then you expect me to respect you? And why? Because of your age? People have to earn respect.

I don't lump all drug users together. I don't blanketly condemn. My hatred for drugs comes from seeing people I care about get messed up. If you bothered to read what I wrote you might have gotten that.

Some of the people I am friends with use drugs. But I always remind them that they are making self destructive decisions and then I offer positive alternative activities.

 
At 1:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This "washed out hippie" pothead has founded a radical activist commune that produced Communities magazine which is still going after 34 years, as well as producing activists like Granny Green Genes, (former member like myself). I produced the Salmon Creek half of the Land Trust in SoHum. I produced The Bridge, SoHum's most successful community meeting hall outdoing the Mateel Center in hosting community orgs for five years before closing. I produced the Heartland Project, the only environmental/Native American tribal coalition any activist has ever done in Humboldt County until Salzman got Bear River's Tribal Council Chair to back Gallegos, that Tribal Council Chairperson now under tribal recall for embezzlement, btw. I was a columnist for the Eureka Reporter(where's your straight-edge column--Shane?). I produced one of the best examples of the psychedelic art ever, a museum quality painting that was shown in the San Francisco Art Commission Gallery in the 1975 S.F. Rainbow Show. I have been an ambassador of peace and goodwill helping two local tribe plus the Oglala Souix nation, as well as being honored by over 500 Palestinian Christians in Nazareth, Israel. Local Muslims look to me as one who stands up for them and so do local timber working class people, you know, the people Commies were supposed to represent. Lastly, Shane, where's your books? I've written two, one a ground-breaking new gnostic Christian theology book and the other expanding the Communitarian activist ideology.

When I look back I am quite proud of my life work. I lead an amazing life for someone on Social Security who was a college drop-out, never joined the rat-race or political organizations to get ahead and a person who has been a dedicated marijuana user for over 43 years. End of self-glorification. For the moment at least..

 
At 1:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow Steve, you have achieved more than a 19 year old who just recently got out of high school. Come on everybody, let's give Steve a big round of applause.

 
At 1:41 PM, Blogger Shane said...

Rather than being even more of a brat I will just agree with 1:34pm and leave it at that.

 
At 2:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I, mushy-brained pothead that I was, graduated at 17 and went to U.C. Berkeley . Oh, I could go on and on with my fabulous career as King of the Counterculture and prophet of God but I'm too humble to mention further accomplishments.

 
At 3:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shane, maybe you'd have more friends if you didn't judge people so much. After all, when you went to school you got judged all the time, didn't feel too good did it?

 
At 4:04 PM, Blogger Shane said...

Why do you think that I need more friends? I like the ones that I already have.

Santa is coming to town in 2 hours... I'm so excited!

 
At 4:20 PM, Blogger Shane said...

It's 4:20 you guys.

 
At 4:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well and good, Shane. There's more to the Santa story than people know. Stay tuned for the Journey of EL and Asherah, how two ancient Canaanite deities made Their way within the Judeo-Christian Bible from ancient Canaan to modern times.

 
At 5:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nick Bravo said...
So shane, whilst straight edge doesn't condone drinking does it condone your wearing of pumps and your worship of audrey hepburn?

4:16 AM

"Whilst" is not a word used by loyal Americans. Loyal Canadians, yes. Loyal Americans, never.

Your secret is OUT, Bravo!

 
At 5:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve Lewis said...
It is not surprising to me that Shane is anti-pot. When you fall for authoritarian ideologies such as the Communist one, invariably you get control freaks seeking power to impose their agenda on the rest...

Steve, I remember hordes of "control freaks" that used to hang out around here. We used to meet these people everywhere, insisting that we try their "really great weed." Pestering us until we tried it. And suddenly no longer being our best friend when we suffered the consequences of using it.

Shane, you're doing OK. Don't give in to the old Humboldt County pro-Pot peer presure. Whether it's people telling you you can't be a man if you don't drink booze, or other people telling you to lose your inhibitions and bourgeois ways with pot, ignore 'em.

Incidentally, Shane, I hope you have outgrown whatever fascination you may have had for the Communist Party. Read about Stalin's millions of victims if you want incentive to make the break.

 
At 5:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Steve, I remember hordes of "control freaks" that used to hang out around here. We used to meet these people everywhere, insisting that we try their "really great weed." Pestering us until we tried it. And suddenly no longer being our best friend when we suffered the consequences of using it."

Oh, yeah, I forgot about those hordes of control freaks. You couldn't walk down the streets anywhere without mobs of pro-pot control freaks descending on you to get you to try really great weed. They use to call house to house, like crazed Jehovah's Witnesses, and the airports? You see the battles between these pro-pot control freaks and Hari Krishnas for best position to greet new arrivals? Terrible. Good thing you weren't prone to exaggeration when you reminded us how horrible them old pro-pot control freaks were..

 
At 12:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Steve, let me tell you, it was mainly all sorts of groovy new "friends" at weekend parties (between the unending study sessions) who used to push their drugs at me.

And if you didn't accept their drug offering, they looked at you as if you were crazy. Or worse, you must be "a narc."

And if you did take a toke from their joint or their pipe, you could never be sure if what you smoked would give you a pleasant sensation or fuck your mind so bad you'd have to drop out of school for a semester.

Oh, yes. I remember those pro-pot "control freaks." I'll never forget them. Just keep them the hell away from me. Especially the sarcastic ones. Catch my drift, Steve?

 
At 1:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:14. What secret? Who or what do you think Bravo is? English? German? Iranian? Babylonian? Cannanite? Sumerian? He is from Earth, right?

 
At 5:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Steve, I remember hordes of "control freaks" that used to hang out around here. We used to meet these people everywhere, insisting that we try their "really great weed." Pestering us until we tried it. And suddenly no longer being our best friend when we suffered the consequences of using it."

"Well, Steve, let me tell you, it was mainly all sorts of groovy new "friends" at weekend parties (between the unending study sessions) who used to push their drugs at me.

And if you didn't accept their drug offering, they looked at you as if you were crazy. Or worse, you must be "a narc."

I am beginning to think your control freak friends might have been right. You may be crazy. I mean just look at how you have made a mountain out of a mole hill with generalizing your moments of high school or college crazy days as if these were indicators of all society? Get over yourself. School days are a brief blip on the radar of a person's life.

 
At 6:08 AM, Anonymous Bravo De Christos said...

Ah Steve, I admire your patience with Shane. You are truthful yet gentle in attempting to remove the scales from his eyes. If you ever feel the need to join a cult..err...church please keep the Church of Bravo De Christos in mind.

 
At 6:10 AM, Anonymous Bravo De Christos said...

I forgot to add that we here at the Church of Bravo De Christos are not concerned only with the growth of ones soul but also the growth and expanding of the rational mind as taught by the High Priestess Ayn Rand.

 
At 10:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve, as is often the case with self-proclaimed sages like you, you view your own life experiences as iconic touchstones on your Journey through Life.

Yet you view the experiences of other people as incidences of no value whatever, mere happenstance, unimportant and best "gotten over."

Thank you for making clear your belief that my experiences, the lessons I have learned from them, my efforts to share those lessons with other people so as to save them some the pain I've suffered, and pretty much my entire life, is a matter of little to no concern for you.

If I had not been raised to be kind to others, I would tell you what I think you are.

But really, Steve, I hope you will feel free to "read between the lines."

 
At 3:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would appear we are in the same boat then, both of us, projecting our miserable little peeves out into the great big world. I try to balance the criticisms I dish out, which are admittedly many, with a few choice solutions. I am glad you were raised to be kind to others, otherwise I might have gotten the wrong idea about what to read between the lines..

 
At 6:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
5:14. What secret? Who or what do you think Bravo is? English? German? Iranian? Babylonian? Cannanite? Sumerian? He is from Earth, right?

1:36 AM

Pssst: Canadian.

 
At 5:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi people
I do not know what to give for Christmas of the to friends, advise something ....

 
At 6:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Rainbow Bible is always appropriate.

 
At 10:40 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

I am not canadian.

 
At 10:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nick Bravo said...
I am not canadian.

10:40 AM

OK, Let's see. If Nick Bravo is not Canadian, but he uses the word "whilst" --

What is the world DOES that mean?

 
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