Sunday, May 31, 2015

No Whites Allowed

I'm not surprised, but I can't help but wonder how much more of this sort of thing goes on? A college affiliated club- the Racialized Students Collective- in Canada was having a meeting to discuss discrimination and how much they'd been oppressed. A couple white students showed up to cover the meeting for a class project and where sent away. 

Setting aside the issue of school related facilities and clubs, this would make national news in the U.S. if it had been a White Students Collective and a couple non- whites were asked to leave. Don't you think?


At 3:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

" this would make national news in the U.S. if it had been a White Students Collective and a couple non- whites were asked to leave"

Why would a white students collective meet on the topic of white discrimination/oppression?

Furthermore, why would any non-white individual decide they would like to attend such a bogus idea?

Furthermoremore, there are KKK meetings still going on in this country on a regular basis and I don't imagine they're welcoming/attracting non-whites.

At 3:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Discrimination is discrimination. Period.
A group of white students could easily get together to weigh the pros and cons of universities' race based quota systems that can make it much more difficult for a white male to gain enrollment in the university of their choice than a female Hispanic. People of color may want to attend such a meeting to report what was said.

There will always be racist groups in the world, but no groups should be allowed to discriminate based on race in a public school setting.
Of course, seeing as the schools themselves do this very thing, it will continue to be allowed.

At 4:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Discrimination is not black and white, it's an incredibly complex issue and it's certainly more destructive to the non-white population.

The two white student did not suffer "disadvantageous treatment" for some arbitrary reason; it was to protect the views and ideas of the individuals in the discussion. Sure, I could see a group of white students recreating this situation on the topic of race quotas, etc., and subsequently denying anyone's who's not white, I'm sure this has happened. There's no guarantee this would cause a media frenzy and if it did you would most likely hear that these student should have the liberty of a "safe space" just like their non-white peers.

What kills me is this comment by the author of "Minorities Now Want Safe Spaces “No Whites Allowed'":
"Racism does still exist; however, it’s largely racism against white people."

Are you f'n kidding me? (And why is there a photo of Michelle Obama? Other than to spark the emotions of readers as if this is somehow a result of the Obama administration?)

I'm a 28 year old white male, and I think that comment is complete bs.

At 5:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whenever you use someone's race as a deciding factor about whether or not they will be included in a group or allowed to participate in an activity that is racism pure and simple!

What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

At 5:55 PM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

""Racism does still exist; however, it’s largely racism against white people." Are you f'n kidding me?"

My personal experience would tell me the non- whites are the most racist of anyone nowadays. I can count on one hand- actually two fingers- the white guys I felt were genuinely racist that I've run into in the over 40 years of living up here. I can count a lot more of non- whites that I do consider racist.

At 5:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it very interesting that this posting and your recent posting about lesbians returning wedding rings all allegedly happen in Canada. No citing of sources, and allegedly happening in a foreign country.

At 7:44 AM, Anonymous Liberal Man On Bike said...

28 y/o white male - you are catching on - good on you. Good catch on the picture of the first lady. It's what the right does and you can see it on Drudge nearly every day. It sounds like you will be one of the 46% - one of those white males, that when voting, does not have to vote Republican.

Fred. Here* is a 8 min video on the difference between racism and prejudice. It's wonderful. In it the vlogger, Kat Blaque describes why the exact same scenario you describe in the US would not be considered racism and thus would not and should not be news.

What should be news, and also isn't is how we continue to be a racist country despite our collective potential enlightenment. I believe one of the reasons is political - and neither party (yes only two) is pure on this, but the Republicans have picked up and ran with the South's institutionalized racist past (again, the North is no angel here - just not as cynically and overtly institutionalized).

Any doubt about the racism inherent in US politics please read Lee Atwater's quote

"Here is how I'd approach that issue how abstract you handle the race thing. ... And you don't want to quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger. So anyway you look at it, race is going on the back burner.

Any question about how this was accomplished, please read Rick Perstein's Nixonland and Invisible Bridge.

You can find audio online of him saying this and it's powerful stuff.

Today, we as a society can continue to be blind and reassure ourselves that racism does not exists, despite the evidence before our eyes from Katrina to Trayvon though the all-to-frequent examples of unequal justice to the clear differential in income and wealth disparity.

How is it despite all of the above, the wealthiest and what many of us, including myself, see as one of the most moral and ethic nations on earth can allow this?

I think how we do this is by playing with words and definitions. Your white friends are less racist to you than your non-white friends. QED. Next?

No Fred, there are real problems that need to be solved, our 90% white population in HumCo was by design by not only racist but murderous and genocidal policies by our forefathers.

We have a lot of healing to do and 28 y.o white male anon is on the right track. You, my friend don't get it yet. Maybe you won't, but in the end, I believe our country will.

And, anecdote for anecdote. On a daily walk to my local gas station, one white guy with a woman behind him said something to an African American on the opposite street about a 100 ft away including Atwater's n-word. It could have been as buddies as both were youthful, it didn't strike me that way. Leaving the gas station, caffeine purchas accomplished the man across the street had moved on. Just saying. It may not be a part of your class or your race or your experience, but racism is out there, and prejudice is in us. Likely all of us.


At 8:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see it plain as day, like you do, Fred.
If I hear one more speach from either one of those two, about the prejudice that lies before them, stirs behind them, I'll scream. College, Pow Wows, Foreigners, even memorials, is a time to encourage & inspire, not rile & conceive.

At 6:45 AM, Anonymous LMOB said...

8:31 are you serious or are you a liberal troll? Pow wows? Foreigners?


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