Saturday, November 12, 2016

Why Trump Won

I read a commentary from City Journal yesterday where the writer attributed Trump's victory to any number of issues, all of them somewhat obscure. Obscure only because I don't think Joe and Jill Sixpack voted for Trump because of relative minor policy issues they disagreed with. It was a larger discontent than that.

Robby Soave over at Reason magazine, seems more on target. He thinks Trump won because, "
"....because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness."
He probably has a point. If I ever liked anything about Trump it was his willingness to say things that pissed people off. I've met other non- Trump voters that felt the same way.

Some of us- maybe more than you think- get awfully tired of trying not to offend someone. Soave admits political correctness is difficult to define, but I'd suggest enough people had had enough of it to elect Donald Trump. 


At 9:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Political correctness can get overwrought but the whole "tired of trying to not offend someone" is a bogus argument. I think all most people are looking for is someone who treats other people with the same kindness they'd like to receive themselves. And Trump surely is not that person.

There's honesty and bluntness (e.g. Bernie Sanders), obfuscation and incomprehensibility (Hillary Clinton), and outright lies and offensive buffoonery (Donald Trump).

I suspect Trump says offensive things on purpose to try and put any opposition on the defensive and for some people that seemed to work (like with all his Republican opponents). But he can't take the same back and gets angry if anyone calls him out on something. That's the part of it that baffles me -- how people could overlook the sheer hypocrisy that is the Donald.

At 9:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 1st amendment lives!
Already main media is apologizing for promoting unbelievable racism, bigotry, & the works. Nbcnews did anyway, let's hope the others do too. Too little too late though, just like with the second hand smoke retractions. The damage is done, the mobs listen to their faves who promote their inner beass. But at least the truths are beginning to surface, for those who seek it. Holding main media accountable is a good thing imo.

At 9:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember, Trump is a salesman. He says what's necessary to close the deal.

At 9:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the first time I agree with what you said Fred. Additionally I think Trump won because so many people have had it with all of the entitlement programs, etc. it is no longer the best candidate for a job, a spot at an university, etc to had become what minority, what underprivileged, disabled, etc person can we give the spot to so we can "look" like what we are doing is the right thing. We need to go back to a " merit" system - ya know where if you work hard, get the grades, etc then you get the job, the spot in college. People are tried of all of the hand outs to those who are not willing to work/EARN it.

At 9:37 AM, Blogger Bob Wallace said...

Trump received fewer votes than did McCain when he lost to Obama and fewer votes than Romney when he lost to Obama.

Voters showed less desire for Trump as a president than they did for McCain and Romney.

The issue is why Clinton received so few votes. (Even though it looks like she will end up with more votes than Trump.)

At 9:40 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

He won because he is not a politician. Its as simple as that

At 9:42 AM, Blogger Democratic Jon said...

I'm sorry Fred that it is so difficult for you and others to be respectful of others. You should feel free to say what you like. You too may be president one day.

Also, this is such a great point "But he can't take the same back and gets angry if anyone calls him out on something. That's the part of it that baffles me -- how people could overlook the sheer hypocrisy that is the Donald."

At 10:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

market research, facebook, data mining, brand identity, the intentional and calculated polarization of the people. before the race even starts, right off the bat there's dems vs. repubs. mainstream media owned by the sponsors of both, covering nobody but the two. we're hairless apes roaming the planet like any other. the more intelligent the animal, the easier it is to train. "humanity" is a concept, "society" is an idea. the polls are a lie, as easy to manipulate as they've always been. the more we're told what we think, the more we think we know what our neighbors think. individuality is lost, group think prevails. projection is our norm, we don't know shit about what's happening behind the closed doors belonging to people who have access to technologies we're ignorant of, information we'll never learn, etc. etc. etc.

it's a great big lie. we've been lied to, and they will continue to lie to us.

At 8:33 PM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

Strategy wise, Trump won because:

1) he got the rural vote
2) attached to jobs
3) and personal wealth, taxes, regulation

All tied to "rigged".

Of course, as an old man said the other day, the fact that Trump is very wealthy from business shows he knows how to win.

At 8:39 PM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

McCain and Romney did so bad that they pushed away Republican voters before this latest it was a given Trump would get less.

Trump should have had garnered even less votes than he did, but enough Democrats flipped to vote Republican that it does not show as bad.

Democrats had 5 million less votes this go around..... apparently Hillary was not popular enough for the protester party.

At 8:40 PM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

"The Art Of The Deal"......

At 8:55 PM, Blogger Bob Wallace said...

"McCain and Romney did so bad that they pushed away Republican voters before this latest it was a given Trump would get less."

That is one strange claim. Very strange.

"Democrats had 5 million less votes this go around..... apparently Hillary was not popular enough for the protester party"

The important question is "Why?". It may take some time to figure out why. Clinton was clearly ahead in the polls. The last few days before the election just about everyone (including leaks from inside the Trump campaign) was saying that Clinton had won. Contest over.

I wonder if a number of people assumed their votes were not needed and stayed home? That is apparently why Brexit passed. Too many assumed they could shine it on because someone else was doing their work for them.

At 8:58 PM, Blogger Bob Wallace said...

Have you read the story behind the writing of the Art of the Deal? The story by the person who wrote the book?

At 11:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The more the media twisted his intents & words, the closer the people drew to him. Those who only listened to the media, drew further away from him. The voters were smart this year, they took the time to listen to every livestream instead of just the clips. Informed voters are aok in my book. I have a feeling they won't be going back to sleep any time soon. The mighty giant has awoken.

At 7:43 AM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

It was the basis for HOJ predicting a Trump Presidency in 1987-1988 in Long Beach, California listening to Vin Scully at a kitchen table.

At 7:45 AM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

Strange was this whole election, but not really......the 2 Party System has been on a teathered cord dangling over flame for 50+ years.......

At 7:47 AM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

He won because of Julianne Assange, don't be fooled.

At 7:48 AM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

Bob, the problem you are having is believing that polls are accurate.

At 7:53 AM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

Old news, discussed before and after Diane Sawyer different than an orator or literary aide.

At 9:17 AM, Blogger Sally Sheffield said...

So true.

At 3:14 PM, Blogger Bob Wallace said...

" you are having is believing that polls are accurate"

I understand polling. I understand statistics. I understand probabilities.

I also understand that a poll, even the best most accurate poll, will tell you nothing about things the poll did not measure.

At 3:35 PM, Blogger Bob Wallace said...

"The mighty giant has awoken."

No, a relatively small minority decided to toss a bomb and see what would happen. "You're not paying enough attention to us so we're going to shit the bed."

America, and the rest of the world is going to have to make some serious decisions going forward. As we automate everything what happens to those whose labor is no longer needed?

Those undereducated white guys who used to work in factories? Not needed. Not needed even if factories come back to the US.

Look at how Tesla's new battery and car factories will operate. Raw materials go in one end of the factory, batteries and cars come out the other. Few, if any, human hands will touch them until it's time to drive them to the boat or transport truck. And within five years those cars will drive themselves to where they are going.

Look at what happened to Appalachian coal jobs. Obama did not wage a war on coal that killed jobs. Coal mining jobs mostly disappeared when coal companies quit digging into mountains for coal and started blowing the top off mountains and scooping up the coal.

10,000 coal jobs went away between 1990 and 1997. That's from mountaintop removal. In West Virginia coal jobs peaked at over 130,000 in the 1940s. Eight years before Obama came to office jobs had fallen to under 20,000.


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