Friday, March 03, 2006

Stampeding Rats?

Apparently not. Looks like for the first time in years more people are leaving California than are coming here. I'd like to think it's because more and more people are fleeing California but, according to this news story, it only looks like that cause fewer people are coming here because of housing prices. I suppose that's a good a reason as any to not come here.

Still, it would be interesting to see the reasons most people leave. The news media generally say it's because of housing prices as well, but I tend to think there are a lot of other reasons. Oh well, I'm stuck here now. All I can do is sit here and wave good bye.
Oh; Thanks for the tip on photobucket, all. Took me a while to figure out how it worked, but now you're all blessed once again with my ugly mug on this page.


At 10:08 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

Illegal immigrants are still going to California in droves. It's the people with the money and smarts that are leaving California. Then there's intelligent guys like you who are staying in an attempt to save a sinking ship.

At 10:11 AM, Blogger Fred said...

Thanks for the compliment, Nick, except I'm staying because I don't have any choice, at this point in my life.

At 12:45 PM, Blogger ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

Fred, (Check the link in the post) One of the good reasons for leaving is the outrageous taxes which are used for gang member tattoo removal, needle exchanges and government indoctrination centers.

Meanwhile, keep pumping.


At 3:39 PM, Blogger ArkleyWatch said...

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At 11:07 PM, Blogger Mayor Snorkum said...

Years ago when I was a student at Berkeley, Dan Luten (a geography prof who had worked for many years as a chemist for Sun Oil) said "people will stop coming to California when it becomes as crowded and unpleasant as the places they are coming from." I think we are seeing that, more than a reaction to "outrageous taxes".

Rapid and continuous population growth leads to increasing demand for housing, water, power and also for roads, police, schools, libraries and other amenities. The increased demand drives up prices for housing, water, and power, causes crowding of roads and schools, while the limited taxes (and yes, I say limited, not "outrageous") make supplying the amenities more difficult. I pay at least 5K a year in state and local taxes and frankly, I think it's money well spent -- it pays for schools, roads, parks, higher education, environmental protection (e.g., Fish & Game), rural fire protection (CDF), police, fire, recreation, public health and gobs of other things that improve the lives of most people.

The constant whingeing about taxes-- all taxes are bad, outrageous etc -- is the cry of the Great American Tax Wimp -- those who don't mind benefiting from the amenities, but who don't want to pay for them. There are states they can move to that have very low taxes -- but which also have very reduced amenities. If you are sufficiently wealthy, you can of course supply your own amenities -- but most people are not in that situation. The pooling of our money through taxes allows for people to enjoy those benefits that would otherwise be out of reach and which benefit society as a whole.

At 11:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geez, you must be reading Lakoff.

It's an "investment" - you just have to change how you "think' so that you will appreciate having your money taken from you.

At 11:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Imagine - if you were a tribe of 9, each person would have to do their share in order to help keep the tribe going. In theory, each would take on different duties that rounded out the whole - hunter, cook, home builder, whatever. Maybe everyone contributes to the hunting and gathering. But every single person carries their weight.

Now, someone gets hurt (maybe bitten by a saber-tooth), and can't hunt for a while, the tribe agrees to contribute a portion of their food, supplies, etc.

Isn't that the root of taxation?

Add more people, take away any sense of personal responsibility, throw in a dose of bureaucracy, and a feeling of entitlement, you have the modern day system, and it is more and more punitive to those who do the work while the others lounge about and whine.

At 6:37 AM, Blogger ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

Mayor Snorkum:
..."people will stop coming to California when it becomes as crowded and unpleasant as the places they are coming from."

The greens and NIMBY’s are doing their best to accelerate the process by preventing development of needed infrastructure and housing, thus driving up the costs of what is available. Taxes are definitely a factor. Equally assessed valuation in desirable Atlanta metro area is taxed at 25% of Weitchpec in Humboldt County which has the worst public services in the nation.

"I pay at least 5K a year in state and local taxes and frankly, I think it's money well spent..."

(Obviously Snorkum is one of the “eeeeevil rich”.) Sorry. There are many of us (even Leonidas, who is a Calif native) who have lived in a variety of locations around the planet and disagree. We have voted with our feet and do not regret it.

"... those who don't mind benefiting from the amenities, but who don't want to pay for them."

There are many “amenities” if you are an indigent urban outdoorsman, but trot down to the planning dept. and try to get a building permit to build on your “own” property. More precisely, property owned by the government for which you pay ever increasing rent in the form of taxes. After that, get a permit for septic or sewer connection and if you are within a mile of the beach go to the Coastal commission. If you are successful in jumping through all of those hoops and paying the “fees” you will then have the “privilege” of paying the additional taxes on the “improvements”.

Keep pumping (paying)!!!


At 10:23 PM, Blogger Rose said...

Trouble is, where is there to run to? There is no new world - unless we begin to colonize Mars.


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