Wednesday, June 21, 2006

Harvey vs. Pollace

Cute little opinion battle in the Eureka Reporter today, for those that haven't seen it:

Local lefty gadfly, Chuck Harvey, writes that people should be outraged at the Eureka Reporter. Eureka Reporter publisher, Judi Pollace, responds.

Not unlike some of the back and forth on this blog.

108 Comments:

At 9:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good job, Judi.

 
At 9:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems like the EKA Reporter's a little defensive, eh? The Harvey letter was true in that the Reporter does not need to meet any kind of bottom line — they are subsidized by a billionaire who, no matter what his minions say, wants to put the T-S out of business. It all started when the T-S endorsed LaVallee over his wife in the mayoral race.

 
At 10:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They may say they aren't swayed by the Arkey Voice, but there is no way they will ever endorse anyone who is not backed by the Arkleys.

Their endorsements will always be perfectly predictable across the board. No one can deny this...

 
At 10:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did Harvey forget that the Times-Standard was the only paper in town for a long, long time.

Why was that acceptable for so long, and the prospect of the Eureka Reporter as the only paper so unacceptable?

 
At 10:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Did Harvey forget that the Times-Standard was the only paper in town for a long, long time."


I don't think he believes the TS has an agenda...

 
At 11:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He's nuts, then. The ER was formed to counteract their agenda which is quite clear. Two voices and dissenting opinions are better than one.

With a do-nothing but write editorials complaining about being taken to task by the public editor at the helm of the TS, and an utter lack of investigative reporting on the TS side, one can hope that, even with green reporters, the ER can take on the real job of reporting both sides of the issues.

The problem with the TS is the editor and city editor. They might have a chance with some new blood. A few of the individual reporters have the right stuff.

 
At 11:22 AM, Blogger Heraldo said...

Why ...[is] the prospect of the Eureka Reporter as the only paper so unacceptable?

As has been pointed out, the ER is owned by the only local billionaire, who has a clear agenda ("HELP," Eureka Coalition for Jobs, etc.), who threatens lawsuits when things don't go his way.

Having Arkley own the only daily would be far more dangerous than having the T-S as the only daily. Neither paper is independent, but the ER is completely dependent on Arkley. It would be bad news for the county. Pun intended.

 
At 11:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

But isn't the Times-Standard owned by (gasp) a corporation?

Usually that would be enough for the people who are defending it content to send it packing.

Can't have it both ways folks.

 
At 11:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

competition is good. but I haven't noticed the TS cleaning up its act,

 
At 11:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know somebody who works for the Eureka Reporter who has never met Rob Arkley.

The Times-Standard was widely known as the "substandard" for years. It needed some competition.

 
At 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right on 11:46 - not only is the TS owned by a corporation, that corporation is TOTALLY NOT LOCAL and made its name in gobbling up smaller papers all over the United States. The TS is not the little local paper it was 10years ago. Period. This is not a little paper against the millionaire.

Heraldo - you are sooooo narrow minded! The sky is falling the sky is falling. I bet you voted for Measure T too - huh? The joke is on you!

 
At 12:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The T-S is owned by a corporation that has absolutely zero money interest in Humboldt County's local politics. Arkley and Security National, meanwhile, are neck deep in all sorts of local politics: HELP, Humboldt Sunshine, county planning, Marina Center, etc. You tell me, whose got the vested interest in what their newspaper reports? And it has been shown repeatedly that the Reporter endorses what it's owner believes, straight down the line.

 
At 12:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Substandard versus Arkley Distorter?

 
At 1:13 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

So explain the ts's agenda: support Bush, support Bohn,no on T.

 
At 1:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:56: but I thought all you people wanted "local control"?

Arkley is local.

The owner of the Times-Standard is not.

Arkley=local control

You got what you wanted!

 
At 1:19 PM, Blogger Steve Lewis said...

People who put the Eureka Reporter down for being owned by the Arkleys aren't reading the paper. I am columnist for the E.R. and I am often amazed (and slightly p.o'd) to see how much opinion print space the anti-Arkley, anti-corporation, people get in the E.R., e.g., Ellen Taylor. The E.R. is much more politically balanced than the T-S.

 
At 1:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Times-Standard has no credibility.

 
At 2:21 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

How come I can never pull up any of Charles Douglas's articles at the Humboldt Sentinel website?I can get to the other writer's pieces but not his.And one article titled"Arcata Greens ensnarled in a voter registration scandal"leads instead to an article about the committee on democracy and corporations.Has anyone else who has been to the site had this problem?

 
At 2:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the logo? "Without fear or favor, we cover it?" Seems pretty straight forward to me. The Times-Standard tackles difficult issues far beyond the comprehension of the Reporter and its insane editor. Insane? Yes I said insane. For those of you who question, read this weeks editorial attacking apparent environmentalists who dare to buy fuel- economy vehicles. Yikes. Grab your pitch forks lets drive those bastards out of town.

 
At 2:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charles Douglas is COINTELPRO.

 
At 2:48 PM, Blogger Fred said...

mresquan asked, "How come I can never pull up any of Charles Douglas's articles at the Humboldt Sentinel website?"

It's not just you. His links are often screwed up. Most of the time a lot of them are dead. He doesn't seem to update his site very often, either.

 
At 2:55 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

What's the logo? "Without fear or favor, we cover it?" Seems pretty straight forward to me. The Times-Standard tackles difficult issues far beyond the comprehension of the Reporter and its insane editor. Insane? Yes I said insane. For those of you who question, read this weeks editorial attacking apparent environmentalists who dare to buy fuel- economy vehicles. Yikes. Grab your pitch forks lets drive those bastards out of town.

It's true, even with a new car, most of the damage that comes from the car is when it's built. The Prius also has the problem with having approx 56 kilos of toxic waste (battery pack) on board. Newer cars take much longer to make back their "impact" then older cars. The longer you keep a car, and keep it in good running shape, the better it is for the environment.

 
At 3:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take Arkley out of the picture for a minute. Take left and right politics out of the picture as well. And just look...

Both papers are pretty bad. Eureka Reporter puts stories on pages where they aren't supposed to be. All sorts of irregularities. Times-Standard is owned by an out-of-state company that could care less about our community. Writers are OK, but nothing to applaud.

Maybe the competition will eventually raise standards, but right now it seems like a race to the bottom.

 
At 4:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a fact that newspaper readership is in a steep decline no matter what the editoral slant or political bias. Like the readers of your blog Fred, the people who comment here are the ones paying attention, a very small subset of the population at large. Most don't care what the Eureka City Council or any of the other governmental agencies are up to. They may be slightly aware of the Marina controversy but if only a hundred people from throughout the country show up at the last CREG forum, it shows people would rather be home defleaing the cat than participate in this overhyped fight of good versis evil. Apathy wins yet again.

 
At 4:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ellen taylor, michael twonbly, ken miller and the murderer's father, Bear River Bowmanall get far too much space in the ER.

The TS hasn't been a local paper for way, way more than 10 years, it has passed from one corporation to another, has never given a damn about the people who worked there, about the quality of their work, or about the local community.

It's gotten worse under the do-nothing Winkler and Rosso, and it is leaning farther and farther to the left's insanity every day, with no attempt at fair and balanced, even-handed investigative reporting.

This pretense, this fallacy, that it is now the home-town paper is nothing short of insanity.

 
At 5:27 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Some of you people are getting stupid.

Charles Douglas may be a fuckhead, but calling him "COINTELPRO" is the mark of a true asshole. A true asshole named Michael Smith from the smell of it.

 
At 5:37 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

I have more to say on this, but I have to get home to my family. Later I'll try to explain why I think the TS may actually benefit from the presence of another daily. Sometimes "wars" like this end up increasing the whole pie, particularly when it comes to something like a newspaper rivalry. How many people here don't read both on a regular basis?

 
At 6:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have to admit the print and color in the ER just buries the TS. And what about all those smeared pages in the TS that leaves a story unreadable. Don't they have copy quality control? As for Reporters: TS In sports Brad Botkins is the best. I just can not read Hamill of the ER. Forget the soccer already! News and stuff, both I think are getting near an equal. I love Arnot's article of local glitz.

 
At 6:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's TRUE! Charles and Nick Bravo are both Cointelpro! Bravo was called in when it was clear that the Amerman/Groves ticket was clear victory. Bravo took me out, err I mean, Rob Amerman out and smeared Harmony Groves who then lost interest in Amerman and she then fed me, err I mean, The Illustrious Rob Amerman to the wolves! Thankfully the champion of free speech Kevin Hoover helped Rob Amerman stay on the ladder of legitimacy so I, err I mean, Rob Amerman can run for council in '08.
Right now as we speak Nick Bravo is conducting ancient babylonian rituals inside Nebraskas capital building with various Nebraskan politicians, businessmen, and members of the Innocents Society.
I fear in '08 Bravo will come back but next time I'll be ready. I'll stand against Cointelpro and Bravo with Jesus in my heart and big timber money in my pockets!!

 
At 7:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Innocents

http://www.unl.edu/innocent/

Oh God is there no end to Bravo's evil?

 
At 8:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

More disinfo from the Harmony Groves camp.

 
At 7:30 AM, Blogger Fred said...

Eric asks, "How many people here don't read both on a regular basis?".

I subscribe to the T-S and, of course, receive the E/R. I read them both. Both have good and bad points. The T-S has more for me to read as, other than the news section, there's not much in the E/R I find of interest.

 
At 9:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sad fact is that either paper rarely takes more than five minutes to get through, and that is if you linger over the comics.

 
At 9:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Tri-City was a great local publication (non-news). After being bought out by the TS CORPORATION, it has deteriorated to a faint shadow of its former self with warmed over TS classifieds. Where's the outrage, Chuck?

Oh, it's not Arkley or Palco. THAT explains it.

 
At 10:20 AM, Anonymous mresquan said...

What we have here is an oligopoly running our newspapers.But in a sense they really act as one.They rarely differ in what is being reported,and how that is reported, they rarely differ in their endorsements,and they both need to attract the others' readers,so try to stay as alike as possible.IMHO, we're in a downward spiral until one of them realizes that if 2 publications are going to co-exist,that they need to set themselves apart from one another.I believe that the ts has recently started to make that move.

 
At 1:24 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

"The sad fact is that either paper rarely takes more than five minutes to get through, and that is if you linger over the comics."

Good point, but that's also true of the vast majority of small town papers.

 
At 1:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's a newspaper, not war and peace.

 
At 2:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

newspaper? More like toilet paper in my opinion. Course I had to stop using the eye, all that low quality ink.....

 
At 2:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a newspaper AND it's a war, though decidedly not peace. Arkley will get his jollies and crush the TS. Make book on it.

 
At 2:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's this I hear about Rob Arkley routinely crapping in his pants? Is there any truth to this?

 
At 3:16 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

anon 3:02 - I think you've been posting on my blog as well. What is your obsession with Groves?

 
At 3:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, its not the adult diapers fault. Harmony's so full of it that it really has no where else to go unless she opens her mouth.

 
At 3:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

She is an embarassment to the Green Party, hell the Green Party has become an embarassment to the Green Party. Groves needs to be thrown out of office, heck the only reason she won was she was the only girl running. We need Groves to run again, only this time out of town and with a pitch fork weilding mob behind her.

 
At 4:08 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

But... the thread isn't even about Groves. Why do you keep bring her up?

I think we've got it that there is somebody out there that doesn't like here. Are you an ex-boyfriend or something?

 
At 5:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, god, eric! eric, i'd never hire you to be my lawyer, and its not because you'd be bloggin on my dime, but after reading your blog, you're missin the requisite b.s. meter. do you really believe gallegos almost died? my friend's a nurse at Mad River, and the real story is anything but. The funniest part is the chickie-poo and wifey-poo aspect. The not so funny part was the threat of being sued if they breathed a word.

on the blogs you've got Harmony and Bravo, Douglas and Michael, Warford against everyone else, especially those who publish and none of it makes any sense.

 
At 6:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chuck needs to stop going to hcdcc meetings - the propaganda is going to his head.

 
At 6:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Calling out Charles Douglas as COINTELPRO isn't the mark of an asshole if that's what he really is. Look into it people. What other person has practically destroyed every activist group he has been a part of? No one can be that imcompetant! How come he always turns against his allies? The "Humboldt Sentinel" is his excuse to have a camera and notebook at every activist meeting he goes to.

Come on Charles - we know you read this blog. What do you have to say for yourself? Prove it isn't true...

 
At 6:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I doubt Douglas, Groves and the rest of the people you mentioned have the time to read and respond to anonymous things said by anonymous people. You people need lives.

 
At 6:32 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Charging to blog? Hmmmmm. Hadn't thought of that. Maybe at least a write-off?

Hey, I do this to relax believe it or not. If you worked the hours I work, you'd be looking for a diversion too. Beats Minesweep.

As for Gallegos, I'm simply going by what was reported in the media. But you're second cousin's best friend's mother-in-law probably knows better.

Harmony's blog sure didn't make any sense. I couldn't find the writing.

 
At 6:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric, chances are that many who post on the various humboldt blogs are either retired, homeless, shut-ins, etc. pardon my presumptuous.

 
At 6:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dave Meserve is cointelpro, so is Tad, and quarter mike, and michael smith, and charles douglas, and harmony groves, and kevin hoover, and they all get together once every 4 months to discuss plans, roles, and go over scripts. They are elite cointelpro and their higher ups (of whom Bravo is one of them) only contact them once every couple years and they are left to financially fend for themselves untill their contracts expire. Onc their contracts expire they will be flown to a secret location on mars. once there they will meet with the current president who will then give the word for Tesla technology to be activated and thus wash humboldt county away in a combination earthquake/tsunami.

 
At 6:48 PM, Blogger Fred said...

Good points, all: This is all some conspiracy. I knew it.

 
At 7:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, think about it eric, if his femoral artery was severed, would they have let him walk outta there in a few hours? you know, you don't need med school to figure that one out. word was he was plastered, fell on a rock. Nice coverup by Salzman, though. Quick thinking. Put out the word that he ALMOST DIED! Then lay it on thick with the life flashed before his eyes and all he thought of was Palco! OOOOhhhhh! Cool, man!

 
At 10:32 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Plastered and fell on a rock? Wow. Mind telling me who put that one out?

 
At 7:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

if a billionaire craps himself and n one sees it, did he make a mess?

 
At 9:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Times-Standard tackles difficult issues far beyond the comprehension of the Reporter"

Oh really? What difficult issues has the Times Standard tackled? Give one example of investigative reporting in the last 4 years. 10 years. I sure don't see it.

 
At 10:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bravos lost it.

http://nickbravo.blogspot.com/

car bomb your government
I have an idea, a new twist on an old method. A way to take back from the so called terrorists a phrase which can be used for good instead of evil. Yes folks I want you to car bomb your government and I'll even tell you how to do it.

First pick an issue in your city, state, or federal government that you feel strongly about. Find a few friends and others who feel the same way you do. find all information about the issue that you can.

Second with your group decide a time at which you will all pile into a car to go to the specific government building and office that has power over the issue you are concerned about.

Thirdly, target specific legislators, senators, representatives, etc that have the power to initiate change. Call their office to set up an appointment to speak to them in person. Don't take no for an answer.

Fourth, on the specified date pile as many people as you can into the car that shall be used for the purpose of bombing. For example, five people in a five seater. If you can get more than one car bomb to a specific place all the better.

Fifthly, once you get to the government office, all of you pile out of your car bombs, go into your appointed meeting with the politician you have chosen to bomb.

Sixth, light the fuse. This is done by having chosen 1 or 2 people in your group to do most of the speaking whilst the rest of you stand near the speakers and serve the purpose of showing the politician that indeed REAL people are very concerned about said issue.

In order to make your car bomb successful there are some things you should keep in mind. Dress appropriately, suits and ties get more respect than shorts and tank tops. Be sure your two speakers have all documents and information in their hands so that they are well ARMED with INFORMATION to keep the politician from worming his/her way out of the issue. Do NOT become pacified by promises, only untill YOU are heeded by your politician and things change should you even think about laying down your intellectual arms. The more car bombs you can get to a location, the more people into a politicians office the more potent and successful will your mission be.

What? Should I call this a NON-lethal car bomb? No, here's why. Any idiot can blow up a building and the media disregards the bombers issue as crazy. The car bomb I am proposing is trully lethal for it kills bad policy and keeps bad laws from being brought into being. The car bomb I propose wakes the politicians up and shows them how little power they actually have and indeed returns political power back to the people.

For more information and tactics for car bombing your government please look at various tactics used by lobbyists such as mass mailing, mass phone calls, continuous repetition in order to strong arm your government into compliance.

*yes, I know the FBI or whoever monitors the internet may see this as a red flag but if they actually read this they will see I am not threatening human beings, I am however, threatening bad policy and bad laws.

 
At 10:46 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Boy, his "666" post is even more interesting.

So, who is Nick Bravo?

 
At 3:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is with the Arkley crapping notes?

 
At 4:53 PM, Blogger Brian Morrissey said...

What? are you kidding me? Those are just lies - out and out - lies. Shame on you!

Fred, this Blog has been a decent place to read about our divergent opinions... but this?


These vitriolic slime attacks add zero - nothing - to these discussions. No wonder CPT Buhne stopped posting.

 
At 5:19 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

It's the price of free speech brian. I've pretty much been ignoring it. I figure there are one or two 12-year-olds not being monitored by their parents.

 
At 5:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trouble is they're not 12 year olds, eric. They're your peers. The hate Arkley crowd. The kind that post stickers on parking meters in the dark of night. Charming characters. Real winners in the game of life.

 
At 11:38 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Please. A day ago I just responded to somebody spreading a rumor that Gallegos' surfing accident was really the result of him getting sloshed and falling on a rock. My side has no monopoly on immaturity, nor sliming.

 
At 12:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

were you with him, eric?

 
At 12:44 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

No, and I don't follow Arkley around either - so I can't contradict either rumor.

That doesn't mean I believe them.

 
At 5:33 AM, Blogger Fred said...

Brian writes, "These vitriolic slime attacks add zero - nothing - to these discussions. No wonder CPT Buhne stopped posting.".

You are correct, Brian. I actually told myself I was going to delete those comments yesterday but never got around to it. I will take care of that soon.

In the meantime, I remind commentors that strictly personal attacks will be deleted.

 
At 10:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sure Brian,

I agree, but can you please ask Mr. Arkley to quit calling Humboldt County Progressives fascist (is that how you spell it?).

First, he obviously doesn't have a fair definition of progressives in his brain, which might end up hurting his marina center project.

Second, I, for one, am kind of tired of been screamed at by people.

 
At 11:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred: I suspect like most you claim to support the right to free speech for all. Like you I have found these scatalogical references to our local billionaire mostly annoying though one did make me chuckle. They are certainly childish and wholly unsubstantiable. However to delete them and any other comments you find objectionable is to surpress free speech. Rationalize it anyway you want, but that is the plain fact. It's your blog and you are obviously free to proceed as you wish, but don't ever claim to support the right free speech again.

 
At 12:32 PM, Blogger Brian Morrissey said...

I will ask; but there is a difference. Rob’s comments were meant to draw attention to the effect of Measure T and the domination of certain individuals and groups with in the local progressive movement.

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facism), Fascism is typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic. … Fascism uses explicit populist rhetoric; calls for a heroic mass effort to restore past greatness; and demands loyalty to a single leader, often to the point of a cult of personality.

While you may not agree with him, it is a logical extension.

Making up lies about him wearing depends is just mean-spirited and slimy.

I can sympathize with being cursed out. Richard Salzman cursed me out, in public, telling me I was b##t F##king Eureka. Another resident suggested I should go to jail for suggesting that Marina Center would be good for the community. I have been called stupid, a liar, ugly and a pawn. It may be a part of the process, but it is the ugly part.

 
At 1:05 PM, Blogger Fred said...

11:41 writes, "It's your blog and you are obviously free to proceed as you wish, but don't ever claim to support the right free speech again.".

Call it whatever you want. I don't see how anyone can equate the right of free speech to personal insults with no purpose other than to insult, especially in a semi- public forum.

There was no point being made that had anything to do with any issues being discussed.

I don't think anyone should put up with that here anymore than they would someone saying the same sort of thing about someone at a city council meeting.

If there was any redeeming thing about those insulting remarks, and perhaps that's why I kinda let it go at first, is it shows how shallow some of the anti- Arkley's thinking is when they can only resort to childish personal attacks towards their supposed enemies.

I'd love to see whoever it was that posted those remarks here send those same type of remarks in as a letter to the editor of one of our local papers. Under their own name, of course.

 
At 2:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That would require them to identify themselves as 3 year olds.

 
At 2:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

isn't it funny how michael smith crys free speech anytime anyone disagrees with him, but then crys wolf whenever anyone anytime points out what a complete fuck-up he is? a true believer from democracy hypocrisy indeed.

 
At 3:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred, I don't think it is impeding free-speech to delete those remarks. They are just nasty, and the trouble with the internet is that once the lies are posted, they stay, with a half life that exceeds nuclear waste.

Can you delete individual remarks, and if so, how? Did Buhne trash all his comments because he couldn't delete the offensive ones?

 
At 3:27 PM, Blogger Sun_Tzu said...

Free speech. Who needs it when you got local tv/radio/print ready to do your bidding. Just look at the Channel 12/KHSU/Advocate league of bias. Measure T opponents never stood a chance against our local Axis of Drivel.

Free speech is for those losers who are out of power and money. Loco Solutions/Democracy Limited have plenty of both. They got the county right where they want it. Everybody else can go to Arkley or go to hell.

 
At 4:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred- there is a difference between limiting free speech and common sense editing- so I think 11:41 and his crowd are just trying to hold on to their only power- which is to blast away until people blast back- then cry like babies.

Funny, how 11:41 said that, "do what you want, but dont ever claim to support free speech" or whatever he said.

As far as what Brian had to say- about people going off on him- if it is true- this is the internet- than it is totally wrong.

Still, Ark has alot of money and alot of power- so like it or not- everytime he goes off- a dozen others are going to counter him.

As far as Brian defining Facism from wikepedia- I just don't see that extension as logical- though I can easily see that perception existing in Humboldt County.

Social Facism and most every other form of facism generally focuses on a single cultural/political icon handing out arbitrary directives to the masses, political theatre (protest, blogging, public participation, et al) is tolerated until power or property of the icon is threatened,
then shit hits the fan (locally you can see that in the HSU student arrests where local authorities were pushed by higher entities).

So, I can't see that facism at any level applies to Arkley or the Measure T crowd.

Sure- if Arkley or one of the Measure T leaders start issuing brute force orders, and the pitchfork crowd carries them out-to protect there icon's power- maybe then it will be logical.

Facism is very dangerous, many good people have died because of it- we should not throw around the term lightly.

But after all that, I like the ideal of community based development of the ballon track.

 
At 5:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Progressives are fascists. Pointing out the obvious. It is not something I say lightly. And it is not something to be lightly tossed aside and ignored, else it gains in power, and you don't have to look back that far in history to see what happens when people shrug it off and pretend it isn't so. It can go either way, but the path is narrow, and one step off to the wrong side is disastrous. So, on this, I agree with Arkley. I don't think he was hte first one to say it, nor the last.

10:40 may not like being called a fascist, again, a little self examination is in order.

 
At 5:28 PM, Blogger Heraldo said...

Progressives are fascists.

That's a conversation ender right there. Nothing you say after a statement like that holds any water.

 
At 5:43 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

I heard that Randy Gans,Brian,and Mr.Arkley, picked Richard Marks up at the pulp mill,took him into an office,then all simultaneously crapped on him for supporting measure T?

 
At 5:43 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

brian - you're not going to have much credibility in your call for civility if you defend Arkley's reference to Measure T proponents as fascists. It's his right to do so, but then what goes around comes around. Hopefully he learned from the election results.

 
At 6:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leftists continue attempts at Retrodevelopment

Lewis spells it out plain and clear, if you cross the Democracy Unlimited mobsters, you get eliminated. Same goes for Local Solutions, our friend Shane Brinton has yet to feel the full power of the dark side from them, but he will. Who do you think told Bonnie Neely to skip out on the Richard Marks debate? He has tough questions for professional politicians who live on long rails and heavy bribes.

 
At 7:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What we need is a "you know you're a progressive when..." kinda like you know you're a redneck when..." or soften it - "you might be a progressive if..." "If you __________, you might be a progressive."

 
At 9:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What did Bonnie stand to gain showing up at Marks event? No one, except political junkies, are going to be paying the slightest attention what any of these politicians say until at least mid-October.

 
At 9:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly why she should have said YES, bring it on.
Running scared does her no good.
On the other hand as an incumbent she is in the Rose Garden, the challenger has to assail the walls. Bonnie stays safe and warm.
There's a risk either way.

 
At 9:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred,
Edit! Edit! Edit!

If you don't, the crazies will take over.

As for free speech, they can come here, be polite and leave a link to their own blogs, where they spew their nutty, nasty stuff.

 
At 11:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred,

Why didn't you ever edit the personal attacks against Harmony Groves? Those were just meanspirited and stupid too.

Or the ones against Charles Douglas? Or Michael Smith? Or Kaitlin Sopoci-Belknap?

Slippery slope. Slippery slope. If you're going to edit, you have to edit all of them, not just the ones that Brian Morrissey whines about.

 
At 6:20 AM, Blogger Fred said...

"Why didn't you ever edit the personal attacks against Harmony Groves?"

I probably should have.

"If you're going to edit, you have to edit all of them, not just the ones that Brian Morrissey whines about.".

I'll edit comments as I see fit, but thanks for your concern.

 
At 8:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love you, Fred.

 
At 8:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard from someone at KMUD that the reason Nick Bravo and Rob Amerman were at each others throats in the 2004 election is because they were fighting over Harmony Groves. I heard that Rob caught Nick and Harmony in a compromising position and they almost beat the crap out of each other behind Lost Coast Brewery. Any truth to this? I've also heard that Drew dumped Harmony because he caught her sending Nick Bravo some spicy emails, again this is only rumor but one has to wonder why Bravo was so lenient on Groves in the 2004 election.

 
At 8:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Eric V. Kirk said...
Please. A day ago I just responded to somebody spreading a rumor that Gallegos' surfing accident was really the result of him getting sloshed and falling on a rock. My side has no monopoly on immaturity, nor sliming."

Sorry Eric - that is not a rumor. It is known by the guys who chopper'd him off the beach and by the nurses who witnessed and heard the huge blow up between he and his wife at Mad River. Since I know the people who were there, I will go with their first hand accounts and not your attempt at revisionist history.

Just put ear plugs on and keep on living in your dream world.

 
At 8:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What were he and his wife fighting about?

 
At 9:45 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Any one of those rescue people willing to put a name on those rumors?

Didn't think so.

 
At 9:45 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Oh, and why didn't the ER break this story? Is there nobody who can break the iron grip of the Gallegos silence machine?

 
At 11:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

no. apparently not, eric.

 
At 12:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Erik - they were fighting about the fact that he had a woman with him who wasn't his wife and whom wifeepooh said not to play with. Oh and stick your blinders on together with your earplugs

ps. hold your nose too.

 
At 3:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and salzman the omnipresent, took him home

 
At 4:43 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Are you sure it was a woman? While you're spreading this, why not make the partner a man? And underaged man at that?

And of course, he was "loaded" on meth, right?

Did he threaten the lives of all of the staff? Of course Richard took him home. And Ted Kennedy too. Also Jimmy Hoffa.

 
At 9:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, they are not, eric, because they were threatened.
God, when will you take the blinders off.

You post on your own blog how important it is that KMUD employees be given job protection, yet you say everyone in the DAs office should be canned.

Do you have any concept of the kind of hours those people work, the kinds of conditions they work under, what happens when they work 80 hours, and what happens if they miss a day?

How many cases they carry? (As opposed to thier illustrious boss, who boasts 9 cases). The extent and breadth of their jobs.

No. You have no clue, yet you preach on about the glory of Gallegos, and you regurgitate the myths, and worship at the cult of Paul.

People are afraid because they have been threatened. They have tried to get the message out, any way they can. They are shut down by the media who pass it off as political rhetoric. And they realize that there is no hope because of people like you. Blind.

 
At 11:32 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

"You post on your own blog how important it is that KMUD employees be given job protection, yet you say everyone in the DAs office should be canned."

I didn't say that, and if you go back and read my blog you'll note that I am critical of Gallegos in that respect. He should honor his campaign promise and establish civil service type protection - which incidently provides far more protection than I'm asking for re KMUD.

But as to this conspiracy of silence from all these threatened people - where is the ER? Why isn't Allison Jackson even talking about it? She's certainly not holding back anywhere else. There are plenty of conservative attorneys in the county who would be more than willing to go after Paul and Joan, if they had truly threatened rescue workers, nurses, and others? I can think of half a dozen who would represent them pro-bono.

No, the reason I know you're story is crap is because I know them. My wife actually hired Joan a few years back to deal with a very odd situation and Joan did very well by her. We don't socialize on a regular basis, but I know them well enough. I don't believe your story, because it's not consistent with the people I know. Whatever you think of him as a D.A. - this is irresponsible.

 
At 1:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

which story would that be, eric? There are so many.

 
At 3:22 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

I'm talking about the swift boating re his surfing accident.

 
At 6:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ahhhh. not the kissing someone other than his wife outside the museum?

Is Laura Cutler related to Charlene Cutler-Ploss?

 
At 8:52 PM, Blogger Bitxxx said...

Yup. And they both are related to Cutler / Hamer.

 
At 9:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Circuit Breakers? So to speak.

 
At 9:26 PM, Blogger Bitxxx said...

You got it. Look out if you overload them.

 
At 11:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:18 So when you repeat second hand information, that's not a rumor?
This nurse you claim to know, the one who divulges confidential patient information, do you think you (or any prominent citizen) will be going to her if your underage daughter gets pregnant? How about if you get a "social disease"?
I have know a lot of nurses and several at Mad River and not one of them would ever be so unprofessional, not even about a politician or a billionaire, not even one with a bowel or bladder control problem.
The fact is it's not the politician you slander here, but the nurse and the Coast Guard EMT.

 
At 11:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

so to speak.

 
At 8:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nonetheless, both were threatened. A law that was to take effect within days of his accident prohibiting them from releasing information without his permission was cited, and threats were made. And most of the reporters here are familiar with threats from 'I'm sitting here in a room full of lawyers' Salzman. And who doubted him?

 
At 9:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chuck has a new letter going back at Judi Pollace.
Someone needs to ask Chuck why He's against the Er being free, and not against the Journal and other free papers like the Advocate.
Could it be that they share his political mindset?
Seems some pigs are more equal than others, and free speech only applies to those who agree with Chuck.

The theatre of the absurd continues in Humboldt County. Maybe there's something in the water.

 

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