Neely, Casinos and Measure T
Much the broohah over at Cap'n Buhne's place over the Blue Lake Casino donating the big bucks to the Bonnie Neely campaign. As expected, one side is accusing the other of violating Measure T, which bans non- local corporations from contributing to local campaigns.
I expected as much, suggesting earlier on that one reason Measure T should be opposed is to avoid all the finger pointing that would surely result. This might just be the beginning of such ARE TOO. AM NOT! back and forths over Measure T.
So which side is right? Is Blue Lake Casino a non- local corporation? Hard to say. I suspect they are but their organization is probably so convoluted it would be a tough one to figure out.
I do feel safe in saying this much: If the situation was reversed and the Casino donated the money to the Flemming campaign, there's no doubt in my mind the Neely folks would be crying foul, and they'd be much more likely to initiate legal action because of it.
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Indian tribes and their casinos are another subject in and of itself. With the legalization of indian gaming, indian tribes have become one of the heavy hitters in California politics, right along with the government employee unions and trial lawyers. Like those other groups, it seems the tribes tend to generally be up to no good, either.
About the only way to nullify the power the tribes have is to legalize gambling for everyone else. But, that's not gonna happen with the power the indians have to maintain their monopoly.
posted by Fred Mangels @ 9:57 AM
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131 Comments:
Well, there is also the question of timing. If the donations were made before 30 days after the election, it's a moot point.
Is it possible some of you have problems with Bonnie precisely because she is NOT an extremist?
If the situation was reversed and the Casino donated the money to the Flemming campaign, there's no doubt in my mind the Neely folks would be crying foul, and they'd be much more likely to initiate legal action because of it.
Fred: you are right on!
There is a very anti labor atmosphere at Blue Lake Casino. They fired workers after agreeing in writing that they would not for moving to Bear River. At will employees. That means they can fire them at will! And Bonnie has labor in her pocket? Wow. But watch for no roadblocks now in building their motel! And you can bet they will build non-union. Double Down!
Yeah - Blue Lake casino weighs their waitresses. If you are over two pounds over what they hired you at (only the trim please apply) then you get a warning and shuffled off the floor to stock or do something out of the public eye. After a second warning - you are fired.
Oh thats really pro labor Bonnie and Paul.
yeah, i wonder what shane brinton has to say to justify that with his marxist labor buddies.
I think Bonnie only accepted the contribution because she did not want to limit free speech.
It was a tough decision I am sure, but I guess the No on Measure T's committee arguments, attack on democracy, free speech, etc. had a major influence on her decision.
The No on Measure T people deserve a big round of applause.
Well, if the donations came after the law took effect, I expect that someone will file a lawsuit.
But where is Rob Arkley anyway? Didn't he threaten to take T down in the courts?
There you go Eric, you have to bring Arkley into everthing.
11:58 wrote: "I think Bonnie only accepted the contribution because she did not want to limit free speech.".
I hardly think "free speech" had anything to do with it. She already went on record as not taking part in a voluntary limit on campaign contributions in the primary. Not because of anything to do with respecting "free speech". She was just doing everything she could to win.
11:58 also wrote: "It was a tough decision I am sure, but I guess the No on Measure T's committee arguments, attack on democracy, free speech, etc. had a major influence on her decision."
Sorry. That's one of the most offbeat explanations on Neely and Measure T I've heard, at least so far.
First, you say Neely is protecting free speech by accepting a corporate contribution. Then you say Measure T protects free speech by limiting (and forbidding in some cases) contributions from corporations and other businesses.
You can't have it both ways.
Eric wrote: "Well, there is also the question of timing. If the donations were made before 30 days after the election, it's a moot point.".
True. They might well of dated the check earlier enough to slip it through. I don't know about that.
But it shows one thing once again, just as we saw during the primary: Measure T proponents aren't concerned so much about contributions from outside the county, or otherwise. They're concerned about contributions from anyone who they feel is a political threat.
Measure T people backed Bonnie!
Fred, you are so right on this subject! Time for one of your polls on this subject!
And what would the poll question be?
C'mon Fred, you keep expecting the legion of DUHC to use reason, its an achievement completely beyond their faculties. The Casino is a non-local corp under their own definition, so one more dime from them and their lawyer David Cobb...er, I should say an actual lawyer since he isn't, will sue them for all they're worth. Welcome to Measure Tyranny. All disobeyers will be purged.
As owners of the Blue Lake Casino [photo below right] , as well as a number of smaller businesses, the 50-member Blue Lake Rancheria was already a large employer in Humboldt County. And because federally recognized Native American tribes are, at least in theory, regulated only by the federal government, the rancheria is not required to provide California's workers' compensation insurance to its employees. (Freedom from state regulation also explains why smokers can still practice their vice inside local casinos.)
Can't have it both ways. You can't be in Humboldt County (California) and not follow state law. If you aren't regg'd in the state, then MR. T gonna bust yo ass fool.
Fred said:
But it shows one thing once again, just as we saw during the primary: Measure T proponents aren't concerned so much about contributions from outside the county, or otherwise. They're concerned about contributions from anyone who they feel is a political threat.
I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. Measure T was nothing more than a tool for winning a political fight.
And they will come up with so many more tools until they really do achieve "local control".
Until this community (Humboldt) can figure out how to work together, the political foes make all of this a very ugly scene. I think it may be time for a third party. And sorry Greens, not you. The average family that goes to work and pays taxes and sends their kids to our schools is really not being represented. Sorry Labor Unions, but you really don't represent the working middle class. What you DO represent is a liberal agenda. What in the heck happened to blue collar in this county. Where are the results of promises of a restoration economy put forth by the Alliance For Sustainable Jobs. Where are the jobs going to come from? Don't say retail and don't say in environmental activism. Because the middle class blue collar worker will do neither.
It's interesting when former CR president Casey Crabill landed in New Jersey, the first thing she did was go on a Macy's super shopping spree. Her comment was "There are three on them within 20 miles of me" Dr. Crabill was probably one of the most forward thinking people to hit Humboldt in many years. And we lost her. And how many more will we lose to the current trend of political rivalry. She wasn't afraid of the big box and she was an ardent liberal. Please, let's stop using fearful tactics. Let's work together. Are we afraid of living and scared of dying?
"But it shows one thing once again, just as we saw during the primary: Measure T proponents aren't concerned so much about contributions from outside the county, or otherwise. They're concerned about contributions from anyone who they feel is a political threat.
True, but this is pretty much human nature. Would you be as concerned about donations to your side?
Hey: Just got done working with a guy here at Evergreen that used to work at the Blue Lake Casino. He verified that working conditions were poor and that union talk was taboo. Maybe it will be my next union organizing project. Obviously they have more money to kick down to the workers.
Who heard Mr. Arkley on KINS?
What did he have to say about Mr. McKay of the NEC?
"yeah, i wonder what shane brinton has to say to justify that with his marxist labor buddies."
What are you asking me to address? I'm not sure I understand your point. Why would I try to justify Blue Lake Casino's poor treatment of its workers?
Shane loves labour so much he shops at Target.
So Crabill left Humboldt because she wanted more shopping opportunities?
Crabill left Humboldt(College of the Redwoods) because stuff wasn't going to remain covered up for much longer.
11:31 sounds like another unsubstantiated michael smith crackpot theory!
Let's face it it. Humboldt County is going down the toilet, probably already gone. With all the POS "progressives" and self appointed intelectuals that moved to HC from someplace else and have their ideas of how things should be !
It's OK to have geetered out meth freaks all over the place bumping into heroin addicts. But we can't worry about stuff like that ... the real important issues are keeping Wal Mart and/or Home Depot out. We can't worry about things like affordable housing for the working class....... oh no.
Socialists and the like want everyone to be the same, except for themselves. People like shane are the ones who want to be in charge of handing out things to the people. Ultimately they are facists who demand control and while they are no different than the despotic dictator their tactics are different in that they want people to believe that they (the socialist) are doing it for self-sacrificial reasons. Sadly many are duped by this ploy.
We need another civil war. Sadly it won't happen because far too many self proclaimed activists are more concerned with gov't being their sugar daddy rather than their servant. So many standing on rooftops proclaiming their willingness to fight their gov't and risk death doing so. Yet when the gov't comes with its guns these same activists are among the first to bury thier faces in the dust and weep for mercy! Movies like V are perfectly fine to show in amerika because the majority of people have grown to love their oppressors and have lost their desire for freedom, not to mention the fact that most Amerikans couldn't scare their gov't if they tried much less blow anything noteworthy up.
You are sad we don't have another civil war?? Half a million of US died fighting each other, and you want to do it again? How old are you, 13? Ever crack a history book? Ignoramus.
I'm speaking of globalists VS the citizenry. Clean out Washinton first. What's funny is that some people still think there's a difference between democrat and republican.
Nick you are brain damaged.
Severely brain damaged !? Of course we may be assuming facts not it evidence ....... did he ever have a brain ?
Nick, it's not wise to mix you 215 medicine with LSD and meth.
Hey 12:46, Arkley brought himself into it. He is the one that made the statement that the Yes on T people were fascist. So what's up with your reaction? Arkley is allowed to weight in, but then no one should dare bring up his name later? Don't dare mention the person who's influnce is about 100 time greater then the next richest person in the county?
And 11:31, if you have a problem with Crabill because she is a lesbian, you should just say so.
Hey anon 12:46 ........ you progressive freaks are obsessed with Arkley. Get over it !
Why don't you talk about the combined influence ($$) of the 200 or so un-named SoHum "land barons" that do their talking via some mouthpiece or PAC.
Fred,
So you thought Measure T should be opposed because it would lead to finger pointing?
What is a Libertarian again? Are Libertarians against public debate? Isn't debate what democracy is all about?
It's not like some electoral college chose to enforce Measure T over the wishes of the majority. This was voted in by the people.
Libertarians claim to be in favor of the rights of individual people to control thier own lives. How does that go hand in hand with allowing non-local corporations to contribute huge sums of money to local elections like the recall election?
Do libertarians consider corporations to have the same rights as individuals?
Is this extremist "destroy all corporations" dogma all you DUHC robots can fall back on? You guys read your pamphlets way too much and the real world way too little. Measure T was designed to infringe on the rights of the minority by the majority. That doesn't make it any more right than segregation, a charge you shameless hypocrites were all too happy to wrongfully slam Greg Allen with during the election.
Is Shane part of DUHC?
Civil war starts soon in Humboldt county...Sorry I'm going to miss it.
Humboldt will be the new Cuba.
anon 8:58 - are you stalking me or something? I went to Target yesterday, although in my defense, I didn't actually spend any money there.
Anyway... you're kind of a creeper.
So you went to target yesterday and hung out? And you call 858 a creeper?
I was helping a disabled family member. Asshole.
There are plenty of assholes around here, as well as liberal fools, but the only real "creeper" is Mr. Bravo.
Yes, continue with the character assasination due to the fact that you cannot rationally nor logically refute my statements.
Shane is nice young man. I feel he is a positive influence on our youth and some of us older folk.
I have talked to him several times for a minute here and a minute there.
How well-spoken! What a heart.
I think the young man has an agile brain and wisdom beyond his youthful years.
Glory be! He knocked off that Danco gentleman in the last school board election.
O Pardon, I need a bit of tonic....
So you allowed a family member to spend money at target? Say it ain't so Shane!
A little off topic aren't we? If Shane's mother wants to shop at Target and needs her son's help, only a creep would fault him for it. I don't think Shane is a creep for backing Measure T, just misled by people who should know better. Given his critique of Loco Solutions and given the incestuous relationsihp between Loco and DUHC, I think his association with the latter will be short-lived.
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To Nick Bravo or whoever you are,
Quit with the civil war horseshit already.
Anon 3:04,
What minority are you referring to and how does Measure T infringe upon their rights? I didn't say anything about destroying all corporations. There are plenty of good corporations both local and otherwise.
Please explain why non-local corporations should be allowed to throw huge sums of money into Humboldt County politics.
Measure T was conceived for one purpose and one purpose only, to get palco. That's why the hypocrisy is unchecked, the proponents know its true purpose and they are incapable of sustaining the pretense. Same with locosolutions, whose true purpose was revealed in this last election. All pretense was abandoned. Let's see them try to reconstitute themselves.
One persons "getting palco" is another persons "defending our democracy from Maxxam and the like".
Maxxam is the one who "got palco" a long time ago, good thing they didn't get their way in the recall election.
Bravo really needs to check in with mental health. His little bolts need tightening.
Small mom and pop businesses based in this county are in the minority compared to the legions of morons behind Measure T. If they incorporate, they're toast, and you idealists could care less what your ideology costs them.
SAF wrote: "So you thought Measure T should be opposed because it would lead to finger pointing?>"
That was one of any number of reasons to oppose Measure T. Here we are quibbling about the legal structure of a business. What difference should it make whether a business in incorporated or not?
SAF also wrote: " What is a Libertarian again? Are Libertarians against public debate? Isn't debate what democracy is all about?".
What does Measure T have to do with debate? What does Measure T have to do with defending democracy? It unequally applies financing restrictions in campaigns.
http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=13630
holy crap, little shane has been reading lakoff and can spout the party rhetoric. (see 8:01 above)
it's insulting to listen to this indolent little 'peripheral elected official" who hasn't worked a day in his life talk about labor. Shanie, you don't have a clue.
current mood, nauseated.
Stolen from anon.r.mous:
Shane's Myspace
Tuesday, April 11, 2006
i'm a sickling
Current mood: nauseated
anybody that is expecting anything of me for any reason had better stop. I won't show up at the places I said I would. I won't do the things I said I was going to do.
I'm SICK. Feel bad for me. Stuffy nose. Sore throat. Everything sucks. Poor me.
Now I have to go sit through a 4 hour school board meeting and vote to spend your tax dollars on stuff. I can't even see straight.
Shane's Blurbs
About me:
A peripheral local elected official in a downward spiral of self-loathing. I hate facial hair and shaving. So I shave, but hate it. I have sensitive skin and they haven't come up with a way to keep me from getting all sore and cut up. Aside from that, I've decided to try to become an adult.
This folks, is your tax dollars at work.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=58946478
Nick Bravo ? Dick Brawho ?
Nick/Dick ... you're at a twisted boy ....... it appears as you are beyond the help of mental health counseling.
Your search - Dick Brawho - did not match any documents.
Anonymous said...
"Small mom and pop businesses based in this county are in the minority compared to the legions of morons behind Measure T. If they incorporate, they're toast, and you idealists could care less what your ideology costs them."
can you explain how incorporation would make them "toast"?
..... I would guess what they meant is that you (legions of Morons behind Measure T) are so rabid against "corporations", like they are evil & deseased. And that if a small local business were to incorportate you (legions of Morons behind Measure T)would trash them too.
By the way what do you anti corporation retards think about Apple/HP/IBM/Microsoft ? Those BIG corporations ??? You all use at least some of their products to your benefit ......... like e-mail, blogging, etc.
Is it that ALL corporations are bad or just that some of them are bad ?
Is there a list on which Corp.'s are good and which are bad ? How do I tell ?
Maybe "saf" can explain that to me? Maybe ?
A peripheral local elected official in a downward spiral of self-loathing. I hate facial hair and shaving. So I shave, but hate it. I have sensitive skin and they haven't come up with a way to keep me from getting all sore and cut up. Aside from that, I've decided to try to become an adult.
God damn, I love that quote. Shane has hidden his myspace page, showing how "open" he is to the public. Arcata never should have voted in a child into an Adult's job. And it shows.
Fred-The debate I was refering to is the one you thought could somehow be avoided by opposing Measure T.
You know, the "finger pointing" and "ARE TOO. AM NOT ! back and forths" that we currently have going.
A sincere question for you, do libertarians believe in enforcing political boundaries like county and state lines?
11:54- I'm not debating about which corporations are "good" and which are "bad". Thats like arguing religion.
I'm asking you why non-local corporations should have the right to throw huge sums of money into local politics.
The Humboldt Sentinel named Shane as a rising star in local politics.Magnificent insight there by its editor.
I'm asking you why non-local corporations should have the right to throw huge sums of money into local politics.
Non-local... define your idea of "non-local". You going to use that hogwash "T" model of "non-local"? With it's massive bias to Unions? Or do you think a company, let's say "TARGET" shouldn't have a say in local politics because it's not based out of Humboldt County, yet employs a large group of local people?
T is nothing more then a bia filled taco. I'd much rather work for a large corp then a small local company any day of the week.
The Humboldt Sentinel named Shane as a rising star in local politics.Magnificent insight there by its editor.
Maybe he meant falling star?
anon.r.mous,
If a large group of local people joined a fascist invading army because it provided greater short term personal security would you welcome that army with open arms? Would you join that army?
Or would you resist that army in the name of democratic self-determination, even though you would likely face greater personal hardship?
This is the same choice the revolutionaries of the 1700's had to face. I'm glad my ancestors chose to defend their freedom.
Most politicians in this county are so awful itd be hard to come up with any "stars" at all. Shane was number 3 on their list, and when you look at the sinkers like Leonard and Groves and Sopoci-Belknap you can see why.
saf said...
anon.r.mous,
If a large group of local people joined a fascist invading army because it provided greater short term personal security would you welcome that army with open arms? Would you join that army?
Or would you resist that army in the name of democratic self-determination, even though you would likely face greater personal hardship?
This is the same choice the revolutionaries of the 1700's had to face. I'm glad my ancestors chose to defend their freedom.
What is this pile of shite?
Fascist VS Democratic? Are you high? I don't like "mob-rule" as much as you do, so I guess I'll have to go off and form my own party in your little war. But the thing with your little war plan that causes a problem is that hippies don't like guns, so you'd all be hauled off and put into workcamps.
But if you want to get to the real issue at hand, which is, who would I rather work for, local company or larger company, I'll have to go with the one that pays better and has better benfits. So let's say, Starbucks VS Local Coffee Company, I'll go with Starbucks because of the benfits they give to their employees. Like health and 401k. What does the local companies give you? Jack and Shit.
All these comments about my immaturity, and nobody even pointed out my typo! For me that's really the biggest crime of the letter.
Anybody here want to volunteer to proofread next time I send something to the paper?
We will leave that up to Buhne, he really gets off on that kind of shit.
"about the only way to nullify the power the tribes have is to legalize gambling for everyone else. But, that's not gonna happen with the power the indians have to maintain their monopoly"
WOW ....... I'm glad that you see that and aren't affraid to put it out there !
Mabye the Tribes should be allowed to sell meth, ONLY on the casino grounds of course, then they would have another monopoly prey upon peoples addictions !
Get a job, shane.
anon.r.mous or is it anon.r.musolini?
So you consider democracy to be mob rule?
below is an excerpt from "Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism By Dr. Lawrence Britt
"Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite."
From Wikipedia: Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.
thats right saf, all those greens and libertarians and even a few conscientous democrats who opposed measure t are just fascists. my god, how dumb can you be?
Since you didn't seem to catch on 4:45, I was addressing anon.r.mous specifically. I was not addressing all opponents of measure T.
Is Shane really sinking or is he just not following your stupid rules? If pissing all the blog crazies off is the least he can do then the Sentinel must be on to something.
Fred, what's the largest number of comments you have gotten on a single posting? This one is getting up there.
So you consider democracy to be mob rule?
When 50.1% of the people vote for something at it passes/fails and changes the rules for 49.9% of the people, then yes, that's mob rule. You just call it "democracy". I do find it funny that no matter what side of the fence you are on, if you win or lose by .1% or even 5% it's not a crushing defeat, or a sound victory. You are still changing the lives of the 49-45% of the people who voted NO.
Let's take Humboldt County. It's full of stupid people who think they are doing the right thing by voting for their ultra-left wing ideas. All the while they harm the lower class, yet they don't feel sorry for it. The waterfront is a good show of what a few people can do. One is a man who has given money, and employs a group of people in and around the Eureka area, he's rich. He wants to build a center on unused land that is located very close to a stinky fish packaging plant and inject millions of dollars into the area. And create more jobs. Maybe enough jobs so that Humboldt County isn't the largest employer of people in Humboldt County. Now let's take another man, who doesn't live in the area, moved to the town 20 miles to the north, employs no-one in Humboldt County. He has money, that he has made elsewhere, and he lives off the pile of money like a King. His bidding is to stop all growth in Humboldt County because he wants to be nothing but pretty. He uses his out of the area money to scare large groups of people into believing that the other man is evil and wants to rape your mom. All the while, the stupid people just want to do what is right and think that "Well, if I want to get to Eco-Groovy heaven, I must vote this way".
Me, I'll vote for the big boxes all day long. See when you have worked for the "little guys" in Humboldt County long enough, you learn one thing, they will try and fuck you six ways to Sunday and that's a fact. I haven't worked for a local company that hasn't tried to fuck someone, or myself, over in some major way. In fact, right now, I'm looking to move to a different company (and hopefully out-of-the-area based one) because I am sick of the bullshit you have to put up with from local companies.
So if wanting to work for a company that doesn't try to fuck it's employees in ass every chance they get makes me anon.r.musolini, then yeah, I guess so. But wanting to have nicer, larger, employers in this area isn't the thing that makes one fall to fascism is it, you have to have the other things as well. From Wikipedia (which anyone can change to suit their wants and needs) you get this: Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism. But it's much more then that, as a socialist journalist, named Benito Mussolini, proved in Italy in the 1930s.
I bore of buzz-words, and the people that use them.
"Fascism: a governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and (often) anti-communist." from the American College Dictionary.
To us activists not ever under the militant Leftist mold and old enough to remember the reasons why the Soviet Union fell and why China has been forced to adopt capitalist methods, there was ample proof that these Communist regimes were virtually identical to the Nazis in power structure.
Wisdom tells us that there are ALWAYS control freaks seeking ways to advance their own careers by controlling the political power of any opposition. Every militant activist group is prone to such people and those of us valuing our freedoms should be advised of this reality.
Yes Steve. See, that's why we need another civil war. You and Nick should team up.
Anonymous said...
Yes Steve. See, that's why we need another civil war. You and Nick should team up.
6:09 PM
It would be quick though, all the hippies hate firearms and don't own any. I think a local girl scout troop would put up a bigger fight then DUHC.
And no, I'm not saying we should have a civil war.
"It would be quick though, all the hippies hate firearms and don't own any."
I agree with you for the most party, although David Cobb is from Texas. He probably knows something about guns.
I got my taste of Progressive fascism in office when Local Solutions/HCDCC chairperson Patrick Riggs banned me from speaking to my fellow Democrats in the HCDCC meetings which are supposed to be open to all Democrats but are now not open to Dems who oppose the Local Solutions/HCDCC Progressive agenda and political machine politics.
Wow Steve the local Dems sound pretty "progressive".
After reading the local papers, and these blogs I have come to the conclusion that anyone that wants to be known as a "progressive" is just an asshole.
anon.r.mous, very well put.
Do you have a better alternative to voting anon.r.mous?
55% of the voters of humboldt said yes to measure t. You can call it what you want but thats democracy.
And aren't you proud, saf. Now the county will have to pony up the big bucks to defend the crappy unconstitutional boondoggle. I hope you and all the other yes voters are going to chip in to offset the cost
It is not the project. It is just Arkley. We all know that. Nobody was up in arms when they capped and built the big box Costco one block from the bay. Why is that never brought up?
And explain whay "it is just Arkley" ?
Does Arkley own Home Depot or Wal Mart ? NO, then why is it "just Arkley".
It all comes down to the same thing, everything is Arkley's fault. And what has that horrible mean old Mr. Arkley done ??? He's a local boy that done good, a self made millionaire/billionaire with ties to the County that invests, improves, and employs locally!! Now that is a real dastardly dude.
It's not just Arkley, it's Bush and the neocon belief that if someone is making money it must be good for EVERYone! My rights include pollution cleanup for Humboldt Bay. My rights include a public planning process - like the one about the Balloon Track so easily destroyed by Arkley with just a call or two to city council members. This is a culture of corruption. It has been ongoing. It is wrong. Can it be stopped? Hard to say, but some of us have been taught to defend democracy, not to steal it or put it down. While we are at it, what is with this violent talk (above)? Fred, if anyone starts shooting defenseless hippies, your blog could be evidence. Let's all remain calm and discuss things peacefully. Passion, yes. Violence and intimidation, no. That includes talk of violence. Goddam bullies. Sore losers. I hope my grandkids find things better than this when they grow up.
Do you really have grandkids?
Arkley is not a self-made millionaire, he was born into money.
5:09 asked, "Fred, what's the largest number of comments you have gotten on a single posting?".
I'm not sure, but you're right; This is getting up there.
SAF asks, "How does that go hand in hand with allowing non-local corporations to contribute huge sums of money to local elections like the recall election?".
Measure T wasn't about local control. That was just an excuse. Remember, Paul "Vote Local Control" Gallegos got his largest campaign contributions from outside the area.
What difference does it make who the money comes from if it's from out of the area?
Anonymous said...
It's not just Arkley, it's Bush and the neocon belief that if someone is making money it must be good for EVERYone! My rights include pollution cleanup for Humboldt Bay. My rights include a public planning process - like the one about the Balloon Track so easily destroyed by Arkley with just a call or two to city council members. This is a culture of corruption. It has been ongoing. It is wrong. Can it be stopped? Hard to say, but some of us have been taught to defend democracy, not to steal it or put it down. While we are at it, what is with this violent talk (above)? Fred, if anyone starts shooting defenseless hippies, your blog could be evidence. Let's all remain calm and discuss things peacefully. Passion, yes. Violence and intimidation, no. That includes talk of violence. Goddam bullies. Sore losers. I hope my grandkids find things better than this when they grow up.
7:53 AM
Funny shit here folks, you should write for SNL.
55% of the voters of humboldt said yes to measure t. You can call it what you want but thats democracy.
More like complete fearmongering
8:08 wrote, "Arkley is not a self-made millionaire, he was born into money.".
I'm sure he was brought up fairly well off, but he didn't have a whole lot of money. I know one guy Arkley used to work for years ago. Arkley was an accountant for him, or some such, and earned a modest salary.
Anonymous said...
Arkley is not a self-made millionaire, he was born into money.
8:08 AM
So was Bill Gates
Fred - Very valid point. Money is money, no matter whose hands it comes from.
Anyone who thinks the County is going to spend big bucks defending Measure T is simple minded. The supervisors do not have a stake in Measure T so when it comes to court they will only do the basics, not some fight to the finish - next stop Supreme Court. When it is thrown out by the court, they will just throw up their hands and say "Oh, well."
And while the Measure T proponents have carried on about all the outside legal assistance willing to assist defending the measure, as in the initial stages of the Gallegos v Maxxam suit when Paul appeared requesting outside counsel to help, they can only get involved if the supervisors allow them - which, having dealt with the County for some two decades, I can guarantee you they will not.
There is an important difference in just making a point and actually making a lasting change and that seems to be the true, behind the scenes opinion of many high level Measure T proponents. They just wanted to make a point. Only the delusional ones think it will survive a court challenge.
anon 7:53 are you a hippie ? or just stupid.
what is the current definition of "hipppie" ?
Anyone who doesn't agree with the royal forces of Arkley or Maxxam or EPD.
You can check out my thoughts on this at http://samoasoftball.blogspot.com/
Richard Marks
At 10:08 PM, saf said...
"Do you have a better alternative to voting anon.r.mous?
55% of the voters of humboldt said yes to measure t. You can call it what you want but thats democracy."
Actually - do the math. There was only a 46 percent voter turnout so if 55% of those voted for it, it looks like only 25.3% voted for the stupid and irresponsible thing. That isn't democracy at all. The initiative process of special interests putting lame laws on the ballot and then manipulating the public thru misinformation and damn intentional distortion is hurting this state.
Boy that's insightful anon 9:40.
You're so bright I bet yo mamma calls you Sunny !
I guess EPD has joined the ranks of the all encompassing evil of the world (at least in the HC), PL and Arkley.
It's great that we have the likes of you to stick up for the common folk !
YES Anon 11:19
EPD and sheriff allegiance to PL is not new.
Robin Arkley Sr. is a millionaire who made his money by marring the widow of the guy who owned the Caterpillar dealership, having run his own business, Blue Lake Timber Products, into the ground and bankrupt.
The son, Rob Arkely Jr. took a million and invested in a bankrupt savings and loan in Alaska (bailed out by the Federal Government with your tax dollars) and that was how he got in the business of "buying distressed paper", which is to say he foreclosed on little old ladies, amongst others, who can not keep up with their mortgage payments.
So technically he is a self made billionaire, as he only started with a million!
Sounds like someone has a case of the mondays.
Arkley forcloses on little old ladies?
According the some of the morons on this blog Arkley is responsible for global warming, forclosing on little old ladies, indigestion, and the conflict in the middle east ?
wow, how come I never saw it before ?
ok... i'm not an arkely fan... but i think foreclosing is not and was not his business... as i understand it... he bought the distressed loans and renegotiated so that the payments were affordable to the "old ladies" and others... and so he could still make a profit... i don't see a moral issue with that...
And those old ladies probably deserved it anyway, right?
Eric wrote, "Arkley forcloses on little old ladies?".
Same old, same old. We've heard that umpteen times from those that make those charges. Baseless for the most part, albeit true, in some instances.
What do you do if someone defaults on a loan?
From what I understand, the loans were mostly from businesses, but my knowledge of the issue is limited.
Sounds to me like, someone here, wants to pull the old "forcing ladies out of their homes...", thing into the picture. An old tactic, but effective. But not here.
Company
SN Servicing Corporation
Address:
323 5th Street
Eureka California 95501
U.S.A.
Phone Number:
800-603-0836
Fax:
Sn Servicing Corporation has ruined my life. In 1996 we took out a second mortgage with Fairbanks Capital who had their issues but never bothered us as we were never a day late.
The mortgage was then sold to SN Servcing Corp and in the beginning they never bothered us.
Then in 2000 we lost our business due to street construction and lost over $500,000 both my husband and I were unemployed and it became difficult to find high paying jobs, we took what we could and worked 3 jobs each just to pay the bills. All of the creditors worked us but not SN.
Having alot of equity in our home we just want to refinance pay SN off and start over. In Dec 2004 we applied and were approved for the refinance all was set to close but since SN does not report to the credit bureaus we still needed some documentation from them. Maryann the rep assigned to my account called me and said their policy is not to release any information, I told her that she had to so I could close on the loan and was amazed when I recevied a call from the new mortgage company stating Maryann had given them only missed payments told them we were 6 months behind (never mentioned that we had been paying then on time for numerous months) and therefore we were not granted to loan.
After calling Maryann back I was amazed at her response when she told me that she was just stating the truth and that I had been late in the past and noone would grant me a refinance.
I have tried several other times to refinance have paid for an appraisal 4 times to no avail, SN will not help me to close this loan.
Then a couple of months ago my company sent all employees a letter stating they were in financial trouble and could only pay us half our salary for awhile, with my husband working for the school district and not getting paid full pay in the summer I knew this would hurt us financially so I called all the creditors was very honest and made arrangements. I called SN she listened said fine and then 2 days later I received a foreclosure letter.
My Husband and I are both employed and have good incomes and a home with over $100,000 in equity we need to refinance and get this monkey off our backs - can anyone help us please.
Rose
Bartonsville, Pennsylvania
Is Rose the "little old lady" ?
Same old "liberal" B.S. There is not a lender out there that someone couldn't find a story like this about. And even if it is true and not some made up Arkley smear piece, so what? Trying to lay this at his door like he was personally responsible is the tactics of a spineless coward.
I'd like to see where you got that from.
from up your ass kirk ? what the ? this couple gets a 2nd (mortgage)to pay off the $10k on their credit cards and pay off their cars, then their business goes in the toilet for unk reasons (lossing their ass at the indian casino), then they expect the holder of the mortgage to eat it ?
maybe they should have done the smart thing and sold the house to avoid missing payments save their credit rating.
the big bad wolf mortgage company is sooo mean for expecting you to pay your mortgage ? that's life.
Come on people you cant quote myspace.....the place we 11teen year olds meet creeps that are in there 40s and sound intelligent...
Can someone tell me why it's okay for Loco Solutions to accept financial contributions from wealthy folks from the Bay Area? But now it's a sin for the Arkley's to have an opinion on anything in Humboldt County, let alone donate money to candidates or local measures in Humboldt County (where they reside)?
Measure T didn't stop Bonnie Neely from accepting $25K from Blue Lake casino. It didn't stop Bonnie Neely from accepting $8,590 from Bill Pierson.
Do you think Bonnie's position on the Coastal Commission is the reason for the sizeable donation? $25 Grand to one candidate is really obviously over the top. It doesn't seem like her position as Sup would be enough to justify it. Is there something in the works that she can help them with? Or is there no logical explanation, is it just that she is the only one who asked, and Blue Lake is just too naive to have thought it through?
Bear River's another story. They obviously knew exactly what they were doing, buying influence in the DA's race to help out the murderer's parents.
Any way you look at it $25,000 is buying influence
Amen 11:34! It is not right and it causes an unbalanced playing field!
Any worker that reads this and works at Blue Lake Casino and wants to form a union and does not approve of Arla Ramsey's strong arm labor tactics, contact me at Samoafog@aol.com or 445-3432. It is your right to form a union without the fear of company intervention. Ask your boss!
If you really care about wealthy billionaires influencing public elections, you ought to be saying something about George Soros. Why not? Oh - because it is ok for wealthy billuinaires like Soros if they agree with you.
But Rob Arkley, no, bash him, because he has his own opinions.
Instead, take a lesson from him. Make your millions. Then give to your community.
And, when your community turns on you like a rabid dog, let's see how you feel.
If it were me, it would dry up any altruistic feelings I had real quick.
anon 9:21 several excellent points. but I do think there are many that appreciate the Arkley's contributions to the community but they're not as vocal as the "progressives".
I doubt anyone will touch the commments on Soros. How can they think of bashing Arkley when they compare hime to Soros???
And most of these "community bloggers" just won't respond if you are right on point (zing them good).
No, SOROS is good, he believes as we do.
Arkley is bad, He thinks differently, and worse yet, he is more SUCCESSFUL than we are so we HATE him.
As long as Soros doesn't slip up, and keeps giving us his money, we like him.
Bravo 8:43
Success is not measured in terms of money. You can't take it with you. People will be remembered for how they treated other people.
anon 7:46, how very true.
Soros will be remembered for bringing us the 527s and nearly destroying democracy.
From Arkley to Flemming campaign: 0 dollars. Pierson and Blue Lake to Bonnie: 33,000+. Wow. And all you heard was how Rob bought Nancy.
NEELY THE NERD - LAVALLE IS BRINGING IN MORE SHELTERS - CHECK OUT = rcaa humboldt county peter lavalle........the man is getting paid to foul up our City . Droz , was right
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