Sunday, September 17, 2006

Fairchance's Election Predictions

I forget who it is that runs that Sunday Night News With Fairchance blog. Is it Mike Buettner? Someone posted here or somewhere else who it was.

Anyway, Fairchance went out on a limb and posted his predictions on a few of the local elections. Here's how he sees it:

FairChance.Us Candidate Rankings Not an endorsement. Rankings are projected election results, kind of serious, kind of for fun. Ranking updated periodically.

Humboldt County Fourth District Supervisor
1. Bonnie Neely
2. Nancy Flemming

Arcata City Council (2 seats available)
1. Dave Meserve
2. Mark Wheetley
3. Alex Stillman
4. Michael Winkler
5. Dana Quillman
6. Jeffrey Schwartz
7. Bobby Harris
8. Nick "Eeyore" Page

Mayor of Eureka
1. Virginia Bass
2. Peter LaVallee
3. Droz


Eureka City Council 1st Ward
1. Mary Beth Wolford
2. Larry Glass
3. Tish Wilburn


Eureka City Council 3rd Ward
1. Ron Kuhnel
2. Jeff Leonard


Eureka City Council 5th Ward
1. Mike Jones*
2. Nancy Abrams
***************

Boy, I don't know about that. At least as far as Eureka Mayor and City Council goes. But I'll have to admit I tend to be pessimistic about elections. Remember, I'm used to losing and would expect this time around will be no different, especially since we are in California.

I'd like to think he's wrong about Kuhnel in the 3rd Ward race. Most people I personally know wouldn't vote for the Local Solutions candidates and I think would likely vote for the status quo. But, again, I'm pessimistic and wouldn't be surprised if the Local Solutions gang takes the day.

I hope Fairchance has guessed it right, at least for some of the races, and I'm wrong.

210 Comments:

At 9:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good to see someone isn't buying the Local Solutions brain washing and can make up their own mind on who will win or lose.

 
At 10:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dave Meserve first? ...coming from the same guy who calls Dan Hauser Czar Hauser. Those are mostly his opinions, not predictions. Sounds like he doesn't know Dave has pissed off almost everyone in Arcata. Dave's reversing his positions now won't win him enough uninformed student votes.

 
At 10:32 AM, Anonymous mresquan said...

Fairchance is Michael Smith.He obviously hasn't studied MIke Jones very well.Certainly kudos to Jones for sponsoring our ranked voting forum last year,but that fails in comparison to him wanted to end public comment regarding the balloon tract on Feb.9th ,because"he already had his mind made up"as he quoted.That combined with his desire to end discussions so that he could catch the Giants game.And he and Virginia left a special council meeting at the wharfinger building right in the middle of the public comment period.I'm not sure what Smith is talking about when he says Mike or Virginia have done good things for students.My sense is that he's coming down on Nancy because she works for the welfare to works department,but he doesn't know her personal dealings in regards to her work.I'll have to remind him to contact the candidates prior to making judgements,the next time I talk to him.And he put my amigo Michael Winkler 4th. in Arcata.

 
At 10:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meserve's chance of winning comes down to a split vote situation with Wheetley, Winkler and Stillman. Against any one of them he loses hands down, but in a split race he might make it.

Quillman, Schwartz and Page come in last. I'm accepting bets on no-investment Quillman quitting the race to endorse Meserve... and if not, then to vociferously attack the lead candidate (so long as it isn't Meserve). Every tool in the political arsenal will be deployed in this race.

Harris could bleed off votes from Meserve because he's a Dave clone but with a brain. Dave's chief ability is to tell you to screw off, but sound nice about it. He should sell cars.

 
At 10:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is Michael Smith?

 
At 11:17 AM, Blogger Fred said...

Michael Smith is Green Party guy that doesn't seem to get along too well with anyone. I believe he moved to Oregon(?) a little while back.

10:15 wrote, "Harris could bleed off votes from Meserve because he's a Dave clone but with a brain".

Harris a clone with a brain? I don't know enough about Arcata do venture a guess in that race but, from what I do know of Bobby Harris (and I met him when he first moved up here), I'd expect him to come in last.

 
At 11:18 AM, Blogger Fred said...

Oh, and thanks for the heads up on the name. I was pretty sure it was a Michael something.

 
At 11:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pretty sure there won't be a runoff in Arcata, the top two get in. This isn't a primary.

My bet:
1. Stillman (unbeatable)
2. Wheetley (deserves it)
3. Winkler (smart man)
4. Meserve
Schwartz will be the big loser.

 
At 11:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting predictions but in correct on one of the races---the 4th District Supervisors race. For the real choice is Nancy Flemming.

why do I say that? because Nancy can bring the 4th District out of the high poverty rate, drug and crime infestation, housing affordability, and living wage jobs--- for working families. She can be that ear and voice that the 4th district voters have been waiting for----for some time. I mean it dosent take a rocket scientist to see that the 4th District is in dire straights and has been represented by an incumbent who has been there 20 yrs. yes---that is 20 long years...

so, if you are a 4th District voter the chioce is plain and simple---continue down the same path of your own distruction for the next 4 yrs---or decide to make a change for a better future. A future that will prosper your families and community. a future that will put a smile on your face and much needed income in your bank account. A future that gives you (the voter) a Supervisor who will represent you (a much needed voice) at the County and 4th District level.
so, if you are a 4th District voter on election day---who would you choose to be your Supervisor?
Bonnie Neely----I think not!!

 
At 12:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do think Flemming will be more "progressive" in the true sense of the word, Neely's just flat out been there too long and this alliance with Salzman really troubles me. I believe Richard Marks is right.

 
At 12:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dunno. Flemming was nothing but bitter about not getting that labor endorsement. A campaign of spite and malice is not what Eureka needs right now, if ever. It didn't work for Worth. Get a clue.

 
At 12:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Salzman? Do you have anything more than blog rumors to back that up? Didn't think so.

 
At 12:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And FYI, Worth was the better candidate. His campaign was just entirely wrong headed. I see the same with Flemming. She needs new advisors.

 
At 1:13 PM, Blogger Fred said...

11:51 wrote, "For the real choice is Nancy Flemming.".

Keep in mind, this post was about predictions someone made about who would win, not who the best candidate is.

 
At 1:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rarely does the best candidate win.

 
At 1:20 PM, Blogger Fred said...

Perhaps, but most will have a different opinion of who the best candidate was.

 
At 1:23 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

A vote for Flemming is a vote for Bush.Nancy Flemming is a career politician.She served as mayor of Eureka for 12 years.Don't buy the line that she's replacing a career politician whose been around for too long,it's total hipocracy.So Nancy supports low income workers,(her employees at the coffee shop were paid minimum wage,were they not?)I wonder if she writes her propoganda while sitting on her yacht headed over to her home on the island.Well I hope you does support low income workers,because her ideas for growth will certainly cater to low income,service sector jobs.

 
At 1:26 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

I meant to say I hope she does support low income workers.I guess I'll double check my write up from now on before publishing.

 
At 1:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does Larry Glass pay his employees more than minimum wage? Give them benefits?

A vote for Bush? Are you joking? Keep it local, dude, she's not Dave Meserve.

 
At 2:23 PM, Blogger Fred said...

Indeed. Bringing Bush into a supervasorial race does seem to be grasping at straws to attack Flemming.

 
At 3:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Libs (not libertarians) can't run on ideas, only on hate Bush.
Let's hope the level of discourse can be elevated.
Both Nancy and Bonnie are good and decent people.
Either one will make a good supervisor. Bonnie has and Nancy would.
We're fortunate.
It doesn't have to degenerate.
But given loco solutions involvement, it surely will.

 
At 3:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see his logic. He has the Local Solutions candidates losing in all but the 3rd ward? If the "slate" is defeated in the other wards and mayor, it certainly will be defeated in the 3rd ward. I don't see people picking Kuhnel over Leonard yet picking Jones over Abrams and Wolford over Glass.

Incidentally, Fred, is that a Wolford sign I saw in your yard?

 
At 3:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:52 Yes it is fact. Salzman is working on Bonnie Neely's Campaign. Her campaign does not deny this. Why do you say it is a rumor? He has been seen putting up her signs out of his vehicle with Kerrigan.

 
At 3:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then Bonnie doesn't deserve anybody's vote.
If she would sell out ot the man who destroyed her husband's career, she isn't worth spit.

 
At 4:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Politicians make strange bedfellows. Salzman doesn't have the communities best interest at hand. He only has winning at all cost, no matter how devious or just plain slimy. And that doesn't wash off really well when you embrace him.

Bonnie's falling in with true outside interests. And not in the interest of the 4th district. She's doing everything to keep her job and the jobs of her cronies in the public and non-profit sector.

 
At 4:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's too bad.

 
At 4:56 PM, Blogger ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

11:51 AM "...can bring the 4th District out of the high poverty rate, drug and crime infestation, housing affordability [sic], and living wage jobs--- for working families." At the county level? Is she for the $100.00/hr min wage?
Get a grip.

mresquan said: "A vote for Flemming is a vote for Bush. Nancy Flemming is a career politician."
Thanks for the heads up. I wasn't aware that Bush was on the ballot or that Neely was not a career politician.

 
At 5:02 PM, Blogger Fred said...

3:09 asks,"Fred, is that a Wolford sign I saw in your yard?".

Yes it is.

 
At 5:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, so Salzman is volunteering his hammering skills with posting signs. How artfully devious of him. If that's what Salzman has been lowered too, all the better. Trying to equate that with something more sinister cheapens you.

 
At 5:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:56- Bonnie supports Bush and Arnold. Ironic that the Liberals are backing her. Sold her soul to be re-elected.

 
At 5:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The newspaper editors HATE Salzman. If Salzman was working for Bonnie they would be all over it. Stop your lies.

 
At 6:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

history does not show that they would be all over it. did they mention sleazman was in gallegos campaign office getting anti marina center petitions signed?not a peep

 
At 6:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:48---well what i gather, that salzman is working for Neely. I actually saw him putting up signs with one city council member and maybe a lot more people that are coming out of the wood works.

So, I see that we all agree on one issue---that Bonnie has sold her soul to the far left---I mean, the far left that is over the fence, out of the ball park where the post man catches the baseball. Salzman, Salzman, Salzman---were out thou now--maybe Ferndale, Fortuna---heck Cresent City may be coming next. Heck,We should have a global positioning system for all of these individuals that are just trying to destroy our community--kind of a fun thing, watch their movements for a while like we are doing to every body......

 
At 7:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All we agree on is that some anonymous person +++claims+++ he/she saw Salzman doing manual labor. Where are the media hounds assailing Neely's connection with Salzman? There isn't any controversy because your ficticious event didn't happen. Prove me wrong. Go to the newspapers with your revelation.

Talk about dirty politics. Go take a bath.

 
At 7:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have no excuse. If the Eureka Reporter would call the police on Salzman, they sure as hell would reveal any future Salzman connections. Lame dirty politics. You're as slimy as Mr. Salty.

 
At 7:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Nancy Flemming is walking with a Marina Center rep.

 
At 7:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok, so if it isn't in the times standard, it didn't happen?

that's rich!

 
At 8:18 PM, Blogger samoasoftball said...

Just got off work and checking the blogs. (7am to 7pm yuck! What happened to the 8 hour day!) Yes Richard Salzman is and has been helping Bonnie's campaign. He was in the same area as I putting up signs for Bonnie and Gallegos. He was with Kerrigan. This is no secret to anyone locally. It is not like he has been wearing a mask or anything. Why the surprise? Yes, Bonnie has recruited the left to help her campaign. She has been endorsed by Local Solutions. The media knows the connection of Salzman and who he supports. Is it that no one wants to say it? OK. There it has been said and verified! Ask Richard Salzman, Kerrigan or Bonnie. What is there to hide? Nothing!
Richard Marks

 
At 8:19 PM, Blogger samoasoftball said...

PS. The media ignores it.

 
At 8:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

what does Salzman get from all this .... assistance? Is he paid a fee? An hourly wage? Or is he doing it out of the goodness in his heart?

 
At 8:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it true that ol' R. Trent Sleazeman a fanatic supporter of Israel?

 
At 8:47 PM, Blogger Brian Morrissey said...

I am not aware of any Marina Center reps walking with Nancy.

 
At 9:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boy! The comments are all over the place on this one!


Fred said...

"3:09 asks,"Fred, is that a Wolford sign I saw in your yard?".

Yes it is. "



3:09 here. So, how did MaryBeth earn a spot on your lawn?

 
At 9:09 PM, Blogger samoasoftball said...

All anonymous people: Show your courage! Log on your names to your real opinions! Then we will have real issues discussed by real people!

 
At 9:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahhh, Mr. Softball, you see Salzman with a sign and you conclude he is helping Bonnie. WRONG! The only thing you can conclude is that he is helping Kerrigan, if that's what you saw him doing. Come back to us when you have real evidence. Pathetic.

 
At 9:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Salzman on Bonnie's supporter list? Will Salzman be listed in her financials? Those are what to look for, not your putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Why don't you just ask Bonnie instead of smearing this crap?

 
At 9:39 PM, Blogger samoasoftball said...

9:14- Bonnie will admit his involvement. That was a phycho rant by you. What gives? Both Bonnie and Richard Salzman will admit his involvement. I am not smearing. Just stating fact. And you are a miserable anonymous ranter that holds no credence. Yes, RICHARD SALZMAN is helping Bonnie Neely's campaign. And Local Solutions, and local Democrats. This is all facts!

 
At 9:42 PM, Blogger samoasoftball said...

Mr Softball is Richard Marks......I just like the sound of that fact!

 
At 9:50 PM, Blogger Rose said...

Word is that Salzman is paranoid enough that now he either gives hard copies of his letters-to-the-editor to the people who have agreed to sign them and send them in, or he goes to their house and types it up on their computer and sends it from their IP address.

Don't be expecting honesty from that camp.

 
At 9:55 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

Wow,Fred why are you deserting the lib candidate who's running against Mary Beth?How about putting up a Nan Abrams sign?

 
At 9:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 12:52 PM - Salzman? Do you have anything more than blog rumors to back that up? Didn't think so.

Let's ask Councilperson Chris Kerrigan, who now has a “job” with Chris Kerrigan & Associates whom his "associates" are?

I'm sure since Kerrigan is such a man of the people, he'll be happy to disclose his staff and volunteers helping him put out signs for Supervisor Neely.

 
At 10:01 PM, Blogger samoasoftball said...

And he will tell you that Salzman is helping him ANONYMOUS 9:55pm. Call me and I will tell you! Why is there a question of this? Yes, Salzman is helping Kerrigan! Call him and ask!

 
At 10:50 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

I second Richard's comment.Chris will tell you that.Who's helping who isn't real hard to figure out if you scratch the surface.That's from BOTH sides,Rex Bohn,Chris Crawford,etc..included.

 
At 10:52 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Then Bonnie doesn't deserve anybody's vote.
If she would sell out ot the man who destroyed her husband's career, she isn't worth spit.


I haven't been to her site for awhile, but last time I looked there was no mention of her marriage to Farmer anywhere. What's with that?

However, if I was to make a bet, I'd take Neely with great odds. And I think that the "Local Solutions Slate" will sweep in Eureka, for better or worse - even though many voters are loathe to vote a slate.

I'm not going to make endorsements for an election I won't be participating in, but I'm fairly certain I would vote for two of the LS endorsed candidates - not saying whom. The jury would still be out on the other two. I won't explain why publicly, but it's something the progressives should think about.

 
At 2:50 AM, Blogger Barbara Shults Watch said...

Salzman is supported by local politicians, doctors, law enforcement people, lawyers, business owners, HSU professors and students, and others within this community that are part of our religious groups. In fact one of our High Priestesses, who happens to be a influential professor at HSU, has given Salzman her blessing and is at this moment conducting animalistic sex rituals in order to protect him from the likes of Rose.

Also, Fred, if you keep deleting my posts Shults and Co may begin to suspect your involvement in the animal sacrifice movement.

 
At 3:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren't you carrying this "Barbara Shults Watch" thing a bit far, Nick?

 
At 3:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think this is Nick. Might be Douglas. After all, Nick is in Nebraska and doesn't have anything holding him to Humboldt county. Douglas on the other hand has a great deal of investment when it comes to Humboldt. He failed at trying to get onto the school board, he failed at helping people like Don Filbert, and Jesse Goplen maintain a stranglehold on the local Green party. He was finally banished from the Green party.His online newspaper is almost as much a failure as the Advocate. Shults is onto him in regards to his money troubles and despite having had seen him once working at Jim's cafe I haven't seen him there since. Maybe Jim let him go.

Yes, I know Nick visits these blogs but he's apparently trying get his life moving full speed and although I'm not defending his abberant and slightly sociopathic behavior in the elections he ran in, I do not believe he is stupid enough to waste his time thinking about a place over 2000 miles away from him.

 
At 6:30 AM, Blogger Fred said...

3:90 asks, "So, how did MaryBeth earn a spot on your lawn?".

Her campaign manager asked me, a month or so ago, if they could put one there. I agreed, but said they'd have to wait a while as it was too early to put signs up. So, I waited until I put the Flemming sign up and found the Wolford sign sitting on my front porch. Don't know if Joy dropped it off or the wife brought it home with her. Let it sit a few days and finally put it up.

mresquan wrote, "Wow,Fred why are you deserting the lib candidate who's running against Mary Beth?.

I don't know that I'm deserting a lib candidate. She's a registered libertarian, but she's not exactly running on a libertarian platform; her platform, from what she's told me, is a tough on crime and homelessness thing. She seems to pretty much share Jerry Droz' sentiments. Don't know that I've ever seen an LPer run on that before.

mresquan also asks, "How about putting up a Nan Abrams sign?".

Now why would I do that? I've said here before I often don't vote in city council elections as there's usually no compelling issues to motivate me. This time it's a question of electing protectionists- those trying to protect existing local businesses from competition- or electing people that want to open things up.

Nan Abrams has stated in her radio ad, in so many words, she's against any new development. To paraphrase: "We want the waterfront to be a retreat from Broadway, not part of it...".

If anything is done to the Balloon Tract, other than leaving it an empty lot, traffic will get more congested in that area. Anything, even if it's another government project like affordable housing or a "seafood culinary institute".

I'm sure Nan would be much more supportive of some of the proposed government projects but, suffice it to say, she's clearly not into opening Eureka up to other businesses, despite working for the Welfare Dept. in that Welfare to Work deal.

 
At 7:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

erik v. kirk: are you smoking too much of your product?

If you think the Local Solutions slate is going to win the day, you obviously haven't been following the Eureka scene.
Being endorsed by Local Solutions is like being endorsed by the Nazi party.

We are sick and tired of communists, socialists and radical extremists trying to run our town.

When did Local Solutions ever provide a working class job (with benefits) in Eureka?
When did Local Solutions ever build an affordable home in Eureka?

Those are the questions we need to be asking of Local Solutions.

Thank god you can't vote in Eureka!

There is a reason that Eurekans want our politics to be run by Eurekans for Eurekans.
We do not want South Humboldt, Trinidad and Arcata running our city. Stay in your towns!

 
At 7:20 AM, Blogger Fred said...

I'd be careful with that, 7:02. I'm probably in agreement with you. I hope you're right, but, to say Local Solutions won't win and mainstream Eureka isn't supportive of them is a bit risky.

Eureka has changed over the years (for the worse, imo). Note a fairly hard core lefty, Chris Kerrigan, winning not just once, but twice. That and Peter Levallee, a fairly strong left leaner in his own right, although one thing about that race was it was won by a very narrow margin, so maybe Eureka hasn't gone as hard left as I'm under the impression it has.

This election might be a disappointment for many of us.

I think you're falling into the trap that everyone else does: You tend to hang around like minded people, so you get to thinking the vast majority of the people feel like you do.

The lefties do the same. They hang around fellow lefties and, over time, get to feel everyone else agrees with them.

As I said before, it wouldn't surprise me if the Local Solutions slate comes out on top this election. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm used to being disappointed with election results.

 
At 9:06 AM, Anonymous mresquan said...

Virginia is essentially attempting to recall herself.Her winning is the worst thing that can happen to the anti-lefties if the left takes 2 out of 3 on council.She becomes a lame duck mayor.That's very likely to happen.So even if the right picks up a Wolford and Bass win,they lose.The council majority shifts to 3 to 1 for the left,so even if the local solutions slate goes 2 and 2,the left may end up with 4 council seats after Virginia's vacant seat is filled.It's fairly ironic:she's running because she views Peter as an ineffective lame duck mayor, she might be walking herself into the same situation.

 
At 9:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This just in from the Las Vegas odds makers...

Eureka City Council – 3rd Ward
Jeff Leonard 59% - Ron Kuhnel 41%

Eureka City Council – 1st Ward
Mary Beth Wolford 58% - Larry Glass 42%

Eureka City Council – 5th Ward
Mike Jones 56% - Nan Abrams 44%

Eureka City Mayor
Virginia Bass 54% - Peter LaValle 46%

I’m taking any and all bets on this.

Chrissy Kerrigan becomes the lame duck and whines more than usual during City Council meetings.

Chrissy tries to bring in abortion, the Iraq War, stem cell research and school prayer to the City Council meetings (like that’s soooo important to running the City of Eureka).

Radical extremists protest even louder.
Threaten to move to Arcata.
City sends buses and moving vans to help them on their journey.
Eureka has shiny happy people now we have jobs, housing, and no whack-jobs

 
At 10:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:55 and who do you pick for the 4th District Supervisor race between Neely and Flemming. Heck, any of you others that have so written on this blog have any insight to a winner for this race??

 
At 10:06 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

If you think the Local Solutions slate is going to win the day, you obviously haven't been following the Eureka scene.
Being endorsed by Local Solutions is like being endorsed by the Nazi party.

We are sick and tired of communists, socialists and radical extremists trying to run our town.


Considering that Local Solutions has yet to lose an election campaign, I'd say you're either among those in extreme denial or you're whistling in the dark. Kerrigan didn't just beat Bohn. He buried him.

 
At 10:07 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Oh, and by the way, you can't hide in Eureka. We're coming for you. And if you move to Fortuna, we'll get you there too. Resistance is futile.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

 
At 10:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Brian Morrissey said...
I am not aware of any Marina Center reps walking with Nancy."

The whole council minus Kerrigan has been holding hands with the Marina Center Reps for months... Nancy included. No doubt everyone assoc. with the project are putting up signs on their own lawns.

 
At 10:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, 10:15, maybe there is good reason for that - maybe they look beyond the maneuverings of Salzman, Glass and Pierson and see a thriving waterfornt, with nice new shops in place of a derelict dumping ground. Maybe they do see jobs, places for professional bayfront offices, and nice restaurants with a view of the bay. Maybe they are optimists with the City's best interest at heart.

 
At 11:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 10:15 AM said... "The whole council minus Kerrigan has been holding hands with the Marina Center Reps for months." Huh?

Why I hate blogs. Anyone can lie and hide behind the infamous "Anonymous" moniker.

If you have facts - state them and give your name. Otherwise you’re just another idiot spouting lies.

Which City Councilmembers have been holding hands with Marina Center reps?

Has Bill Pierson been holding any hands? Shall we check the 460s financial contribution reports to verify the facts?

Oh, I see Mayor LaVallee has already taken a large Bill Pierson contribution in 2005 (fact).

I wonder who's next of the "slate" to partake of the Bill Pierson kool-aid? Glass, Kuhnel, Abrams, Neely?

Oh yeah, that’s right Bonnie Neely’s already taken $8,590 of Pierson money between June 29, 2005 and May 26, 2006 (fact).

Wonder how much more Pierson bribes, errrr, campaign contributions he will give by November 7th to the slate of “Stop Home Depot” candidates?

 
At 11:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

eric v. kirk 10:16 am said, "Kerrigan didn't just beat Bohn. He buried him."

True dat.

Now ask the question: what has Chris Kerrigan done for the City of Eureka and what has Rex Bohn done for the City of Eureka?

 
At 12:19 PM, Blogger Fred said...

9:55 wrote, "Las Vegas odds makers...".

Is this for real? If so, what kind of track maker do these "odds makers" have?

 
At 12:20 PM, Blogger Fred said...

That was supposed to be "...track RECORD do the odds makers have?".

 
At 12:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd never heard of Rex Bohn before he ran for election. Same with Kerrigan.

 
At 1:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

then you evidently live in a cave 12:32.

 
At 2:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Arcata can dump Meserve AND the Endeavor (as currently operated), it would be a wonderful thing. Word is that Meserve has disgusted and p.o.'d too many people to get elected again. (Please please please let that be true.) Wheetley is a sure-bet, and I predict the only contest will be between Stillman and Winkler, with Stillman winning.

 
At 2:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you have facts - state them and give your name. Otherwise you’re just another idiot spouting lies."

Fact: The city council voted to drop the grant to study the best use for the Balloon Tract. They did this after being briefed by Arkley.

 
At 2:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:18 is Chris Crawford, campaign manager extraordinaire!

Bitterness from lost campaigns!

 
At 2:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:18 is NOT Chris Crawford.

And I notice you didn't rebut any of the documented facts I presented.

More of the typical noise, less of the truth.

Nice.

 
At 2:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one is a sure bet in Arcata or Eureka, not this early anyway.

Most Arcata insiders think Stillman is going to win with the most votes, which would worry the hell out of me if I were involved in the campaign.

In Eureka, my guess is the most important votes are not for any one candidate, but the second and third votes cast by the voter in the council election.

In the Fourth District, the gap between Bonnie and Nancy is probably smaller than most people think. Of interest here is a Mark's endorsement. Will he make an endorsement? If he does, I think one candidate will benefit, but in the end it might not have a big impact on the race. It depends when it is delivered, if at all.

All the races are difficult to predict at this point. It makes sense though that the margins are narrowing, at least in Eureka.

Say Fred, thanks for the push by the way.

Michael
editor@fairchance.us

 
At 3:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:22 what has bohn done for the community lets see he covered up that his son should have gotten ad dui for crashing into my neighbors fence then through his front door....thats a great man he cant raise a son how can he raise a community...

 
At 3:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:38 "And I notice you didn't rebut any of the documented facts I presented."

I don't know anything about the 460's so I'll take your word on that... still doesn't give you the right to accuse Hank Pierson of holding them to his interests.

Arkley financially can do whatever he wants as long as he is given proper permission. Is is common knowledge that he has escorted the current council to axe the study in favor of his development.



"Why I hate blogs. Anyone can lie and hide behind the infamous "Anonymous" moniker."

You state this as an "Anonymous" as well. Eat your own words on that one buddy.

 
At 3:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"11:18 is NOT Chris Crawford.

And I notice you didn't rebut any of the documented facts I presented."



You are obviously working on someones campaign if you have accumulated all of that dirt. No better way to post it than with an "Anon" label on a blog!

 
At 3:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Chrisp Crawford posts here a lot under anon.

 
At 4:50 PM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

Not agreeing that Bonnie will win re-election. 56% of voters didn't pick her in the primary. What makes anyone think Ms Neely was ever doing a good job-ok the jazz festival was a good thing. But what has she done lately??

Has anyone stopped to think how many new social services jobs have been created in the last 20 years? I'd like to see the cost accounting: number of people ON social services vs number of people WORKING FOR social services 20 years ago...compared to now.

With the several hundred licensed and unlicensed recovery facilities, safe and sober houses-how come our rates for alcoholism and substance abuse are higher than the state average? AND, why are they all in the City of Eureka-why not spread them out in the county or at least put them out of the neighborhoods?

Bonnie Neely 'could' have been doing her job these last 20 years. But the new jobs that have been created are social services, not industry. And rents are high because compared to section 8-working people have a tough time paying even rent much less affording their own home with these inflated housing prices. Makes you want to move out of the county and find a manager to rent your rooms for Safe and Sober housing.

I have one thing to say-if you have to vote for Bonnie Neely again due to brain damage or some other disabilty on your part...at least ask her to work with the city on some of these issues. Oh, I forgot-she doesn't do that.

 
At 5:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:18 is Richard Mostranski, Nancy Flemming's Campaign Manager


Case Closed

 
At 5:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:50-Mary! How could you say such things? You are not going to vote for the Local Solutions candidate? Shame!

 
At 6:00 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

and 4:50,what exactly did Flemming do to remedy that situation while she was mayor?She paid her employees low,typical,service sector wages,face it.And who employs Tim Flemming,her son?Too damn bad Richard got knocked out,he was the best candidate.

 
At 9:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:18 is not Richard Mostranski.

Case still open 5:07 PM.

And it's Bill Pierson who wants to stop competition at any and all cost.

Don't take my word, become informed, it's public information.

Get the facts. Don't beleive the lies.

And I'm not Flavor Flav of Public Enemy.

Word!

 
At 10:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will be interesting to see CREG's financial filings on October 5.

 
At 10:38 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

don't forget,you can see filings now if you want.The final filing date for the election is Oct.5th.It will be interesting to see,no doubt.

 
At 6:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did Creg file anything? will they?

 
At 7:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

C.R.E.G. (Larry Glass) has been bragging around town about his "Clean Up Your Mess" TV commercial.

Commerical's ain't cheap. Who paid for it? Can an individual pay for it directly out of their own pocket? Or does the money have to go through CREG?

Me personally, I'm kind of curious who is financing CREG.

 
At 8:36 AM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

ok I'm busted. Local Solutions endorsements are a kiss of death in my opinion.

 
At 8:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

6PM-Tim Flemming is employed by Crossroads as a Business Manager, and has been seen on a local roof with a power washer.

 
At 9:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Local Solutions endorsements are a kiss of death in my opinion.

I second that.

 
At 10:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I third it hopefully.

 
At 10:59 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

ok I'm busted. Local Solutions endorsements are a kiss of death in my opinion.

Again, considering that so far every single one of their candidates and causes has prevailed, on what are you basing your opinion?

 
At 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric,

11-05 they endorsed Maggy in the Harbor race...lost.

11-05 they endorsed their "ABC" school board slate for Northern Humboldt Unified School Board--Don Avant, Rebecca Bair(sp)-Kurwitz and Steven Cole....all lost.

(The one they didn't endorse Shane Brinton was endorsed by the Democrats I believe.) Brinton did run a great campaign.

They did win Mike Wilson in the 3rd harbor district.

Mike Harvey

 
At 12:44 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Okay, I stand corrected.

But I'm at a loss to understand how the election is going to turn out any differently from the Kerrigan/Bohn race.

 
At 12:49 PM, Anonymous RMostranski said...

11:18 is not Richard Mostranski, so, the identity of thy person is still up for grabs

 
At 12:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric – you live in Redway. That’s a long ways off from Eureka (60 miles).

People in Eureka are tired of Local Solutions. It’s not local (South Humboldt) and they provide no solutions. All they do is protest and stop anything from ever happening anywhere in Humboldt County.

Name one development Local Solutions has endorsed.
Name one housing project they have helped get built.

Loco Solutions was started as an anti-Palco recall PAC. Since then it’s morphed into something more radical and sinister.

But you are right – they have a perception of political righteousness among the uneducated and under-employed.

That will change this November when Loco loses 4 out of 4 endorsed races in Eureka.

 
At 1:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shane was not endorsed by the Democrats after all, but he was endorsed by the Green Party of Humboldt County.

Michael
editor@fairchance.us

 
At 1:28 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

People in Eureka are tired of Local Solutions.

I'll believe that when they start losing elections, other than for harbor commissions and school boards.

But if we go back to April and May, I'm sure we'll find plenty of posts on this very blog where someone says "the people are tired of Local Solutions" or some equivalent. And yet, come June..., well, we all know the history.

 
At 1:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess I should add I am not certain Shane was not endorsed by the Dems, but I do know Local Solutions let him give a speech at a well attended fundraiser and he was very well recieved.

Also, I hope I do not raise tempers too much here, but DUHC put Shane on the map with alot of their own supporters, even before the Green Party was up on Shane's campaign.

The GPHC endorsement did go well for his campaign. But I believe Shane managed the campaign himself with a few close advisors.

Michael
Editor@Fairchance.Us

 
At 1:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shane's endorsements off his website: http://www.freewebs.com/voteshane/

Organizational Endorsements

Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee
Central Labor Council of Humboldt and Del Norte Counties
Green Party of Humboldt County
Building and Construction Trades Council of Humboldt and Del Norte Counties
Operating Engineers Local Union No. 3
Women's International League for Peace & Freedom, Humboldt Branch
Humboldt Bay Veterans for Peace, Chapter 56

 
At 3:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pretty impressive list for a 18 years old candidate. No wonder he won big.

 
At 3:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ane what did Shane do to earn that vote of confidence from, say, the labor unions? Not a thing. What did htey know about him? Not a thing. When a thing is given too easily it has no value

Tells me more about the value of those endorsements than about Shane. That is to say NO VALUE AT ALL.

 
At 3:56 PM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

Eric you asked about the Kiss of Death comment so here is my response:

I have watched from the sidelines like so many moderate Democrats as we have been pushed aside by Local Solutions-a group in full charge of HDCC and the Greens too, as I understand. Perhaps they were correct to be up in arms over the recall attempt of Gallegos-on principle.

I can't agree with the tactics employed but I have studied their effectiveness. Their attempts to ride that former wave of success are now mixed and I don’t agree that Local Solutions will continue to be as effective.

Unfortunately, there are a few people who have given the rest a bad name. What worked before will now start working against them because voters get fatigued with negative politics after awhile and revolt. I expect that to happen in November. Shutting out opposing viewpoints was a Republican thing until recently. It isn't very democratic, but the point is it seems reactionary. These are turbulent times and may in fact call for extreme measures but alienating people who vote isn’t the way to go.

Observe the candidates who have received these Local Solutions endorsements. I did not detect utter joy after the announcements. Shocking to see Peter had no comment. It’s a sign.

 
At 4:15 PM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

mresquan said...
and 4:50,what exactly did Flemming do to remedy that situation while she was mayor?She paid her employees low,typical,service sector wages,face it.

6:00 PM

I would like to comment here too:
What would you expect a coffee shop to pay their employees? $10-15 an hour to start? A market analysis would show they all pay the same min. wage. Its an entry level job-not requiring a college degree!

At least Nancy Flemming was working/owning a business in Old Town-a successful business, not just running ads on TV about her parents long history in business...

 
At 4:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good answer Mary.

 
At 5:13 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

Mary,I had a chance to sit down with Nancy earlier today.We had a nice conversation despite our obvious differences.She has a lot to say,and I encourage folks to talk with her.We talked a lot about her business,and what she went through.She seemed to revel more about what the outcome of her owning the business was,and what she started with a few employees.She still didn't get at my concern that our job market is flooded with those same entry level jobs.A cashier or stocker at Home Depot is an entry level job,a waiter/waitress or cook at the Lost Coast brewery is still an entry level job.Nothing being proposed for the ballon tract at this point serves anything more than entry level jobs.We can do better than that with the property.We need something here that will make HSU grads want to stay and use their skills here,and put something back into the community that they got out of receiving an education.Continually flooding the area with solely service sector jobs won't improve anything.

 
At 6:07 PM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

First, I agree that flooding the area with service sector jobs won't improve anything...But how many jobs can
Anthropology
Applied Technology
Art
Biology
Botany
Business Administration
Chemistry
Communication
Computer Information Systems
Computer Science
Economics
English
Environmental Resources Engineering
Environmental Science
Fisheries Biology
Forestry
French
Geography
Geology
German
History
Interdisciplinary Studies
Journalism
Kinesiology
Liberal Studies
Mathematics
Music
Native American Studies
Natural Resources Planning & Interpretation
Nursing
Oceanography
Philosophy
Physical Science
Physics
Political Science
Psychology
Rangeland Resource Science
Religious Studies
Social Science
Social Work
Sociology
Spanish
Theatre Arts
Wildlife
Zoology
generate at one time? I searched the HSU website for majors offered to get that list.
Enough to employ all the graduates every year? How many graduates are actually working in their chosen fields?

Ok we have an abundance of Social Services jobs opening up-but one of my chief complaints is that govt bldgs are taken off the tax roles and decrease funding for vital public services.

It would be great if all Humboldt County teenagers just went to HSU and graduated in one of these majors and got a job someplace local so they could buy a house and stay close to family. But that doesn't usually happen and why? My 17 year old daughter decided to get married, move to Oregon then Montana-now divorced (and 23) has moved to Sacramento and just bought her first home. She doesn't want to move back here-ever because this is a dead end town (to quote her).

There are industrial laborers from the fishing and logging industry that need jobs. We have an industrial incubator in Arcata-but what if one of the food lines they produce wanted to expand-where would they locate? And would you then complain that food service workers are paid minimum wage? I would like to know what industry could possibly locate here and pay more and be acceptable? Calpine wasn't a min wage employer-I opposed them due to the possibility fishing boats might be barred from entering the bay when LNG vessels were approaching. Fishing boats cannot remain competitive with laws governing their coming and going from the docks with their catch.

I didn't oppose Hershey company or Toyota from locating here but it seems others must have-you don't see a Hershey or Toyota plant anywhere do you?

The Arkleys have proposed light industrial use for part of the Marina Center and they are getting shot down right and left. The light industrial might be producing a local beer-and I don't think its a min wage position from their ads for employment...but this would make the second time Lost Coast Brewery got shot down in their plans to expand a local business.

I've been to meetings where the task was to locate a business to come here-water related, coastal dependant business...guess how many we came up with-zilch. Did CREG get any actual names of businesses willing to locate here? If so, pardon me I didn't hear of it.

And last-who has the money to buy the Balloon Track much less clean it up? Every proposal so far (until now) has been one that requires public money. Union Pacific is in compliance with North Coast Regional Water Quality Control Board rules and is not required to do anything more-until a project comes up for review, check the website: http://water100.waterboards.ca.gov/rb1/orders/asp/d.asp?discharger=Union+Pacific&ordernumber=&ordertype=Cleanup+and+Abatement+Order&county=Humboldt&WADbSearch1=Submit&ID=34

Ray Henley used to hire HSU grads at the packing and shipping store he owned (1996) for minimum wage and brag about it. For once I don't have any snide comments to add as a punchline...I just would like people to study these issues and talk to the candidates like you did today.

 
At 6:19 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

mrsb814 - Okay, but maybe you're seeing this for the first time. I've seen it from the beginning. Election over election, people are "tired" of them.

Have you seen their phone banking operation? I've phone banked for them for two campaigns now, and delivered door hangers for one. The data they've gathered on their GOTV target population - that's what they do well. It's based on models developed elsewhere, particularly the Santa Cruze Action Network - adapted to the local logistical challenges.

And this is why I laugh at the conspiracy theories around the funding - these are low budget grassroots tactics. And Dennis Hubert in particular is less the public figure and more the nuts and bolts genius - his Sohum phonebanking during the recall having made it through the list faster than the Nohum efforts, such that we were taking on portions of their lists.

Their endorsement is about more than a press statement. They deliver votes, and how! Every Democrat in the county who's telephone number is current with the registrar will receive at least one call this fall. Every single one. And specifically targeted voters will receive a follow-up reminder to vote, an offer of a ride if necessary, and any other assistance they need.

And LS is only getting better at it with each election.

 
At 6:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate those goddam phonecalls. Sick to death of them, in fact. Done with anyone who bugs me at home.

 
At 7:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok to all of you living in denial that Bill Pierson is not or has not been involved in our local elections in order to ensure that his business will never have to compete for our dollars. Here some facts

1. Major contributer to Kerrigan, Neely, LaVallee past and present campaigns. Pierson has his sister, his wife and his real estate company Sedgefield Properties throw THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS Dollars at his candidates. Its all there on the public documents at your election office

2. His store manager attends every public CREG meeting, while Larry Glass insists that CREG's polling, building rentals, T-Shirts, Arkleyville stickers, and now to be soon to be unvailed site plans and architectural drawings of CREG's smart growth plan (aka another publically funded, non tax paying, economically unfeasible pipe dream on property that they don't and will never own)are all funded out of Larry's personal account and passing the hat!

3. Soon after Kerrigan was elected he immediately went on to propose his "no more big box" ordinance and low and behold who is one of the 3 public speakers on the matter as shown in the April 2, 2002 Eureka City Council minutes! You guessed it Bill Pierson! While his bought and paid for boy Chris Kerrigan (another voluntary check box on our utility bill will take care of all our general fund problems) sat smuggly in his chair and watched his (I mean Pierson's) ordinance go down in flames.

4. Wait till the next round of 460's come out I am sure that we will see the same old Bill Pierson family and Sedgefield properties contributing more money to Neely, LaVallee, Abrams, Glass and Kuhnel.

 
At 7:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:01-

According to Virgina Bass's website, a Pierson family member supports her candidacy

According to Nancy Flemming's website, multiple Pierson family members support her candidacy

According to Jeff Leonard's website, mulitple Pierson family members support his candidacy


Your post doesn't make sense

 
At 8:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ERIC WHO ?

 
At 8:32 PM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

Sorry-I just gave up on you Eric...

 
At 8:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

mrsb814 - please remember UP is only in compliance as the site sits there unused. That all changes once a plan goes before them. Paving the property and providing no first floor contact with residents or parks with open ground require a new set of rules. There is no housing for the Balloon Track property in the Arkley plan.

 
At 8:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you actually read this guys' pathetic comment-devoid excuse for a blog? Michael Smith is so flippin out of touch he thinks Dan Hauser is still the City Manager. Goes to show you what taking Humboldt political advice from someone in Oregon gets ya.

 
At 9:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Pierson family is complicated.
Bill Pierson owns Pierson Building Supply.
Hank Pierson (brother) owns the old Harris Street Mall.
Greg Pierson (nephew) is a real estate developer.
They all operate independently and don’t care much for Bill’s politics as the other family members all have to compete in the market without a monopoly.

 
At 9:29 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

I hate those goddam phonecalls. Sick to death of them, in fact. Done with anyone who bugs me at home.

You'll end up not voting for anybody. If people didn't respond, it wouldn't be done. Just like negative advertising.

But we're one up on most of the rest. At least you're talking to a person and not listening to a recording.

Sorry-I just gave up on you Eric...

Such is life. But mark my words. A lot can happen between now and the election of course. But I'd lay money down on a clean Local Solutions sweep in Eureka.

I've been wrong when I'm this sure before. But not often.

 
At 10:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How much money, Eric?

 
At 10:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How muuch money ya got Eric, cuz I'm gonna take that bet.

 
At 10:38 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

Door to door is the way to go.Phone banking tends to lead to assumptions that the people whom you are calling,for some reason,need to be called.And I don't know if someone reading from a script is really much different than a recording.I guess since you are person to person,you can converse,and explain the ideas behind what or whom you're supporting.But why do that when going door to door is so much more personal as you see who your talking to.I've done phone banking,and it can serve a purpose.Calling to see if a candidate simply has the callers support is fine.But try not to sell the candidate if the answer is no.Do it for statistical purposes.You want to meet face to face with the undecideds,and actually talk to them.And I guess since walking in SoHUm is fairly unreasonable,one phone call per residents on a voters list is fine.Or the candidate should make any additional calls.

 
At 11:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...The Arkleys have proposed light industrial use for part of the Marina Center ...but this would make the second time Lost Coast Brewery got shot down in their plans to expand a local business."

Barbara Groom and her Lost Coast Brewery are not part of the plan. Call her if you don't believe me.

 
At 12:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you actually read this guys' pathetic comment-devoid excuse for a blog? Michael Smith is so flippin out of touch he thinks Dan Hauser is still the City Manager. Goes to show you what taking Humboldt political advice from someone in Oregon gets ya.

Looks like Mikey fixed it before anyone else noticed the goof. He makes about 15 others, like his rabbit droppings all over Schwartz for doing his job and sucking up to Groves Riggs and the rest of the Loco Solutions gangsters, real ugly. Precisely when has Jones ever come out in favor of police review Mikey? That's right, never.

 
At 6:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you expecting facts out of Michael Smith? He's not a reporter, he's not a Green Party anything and he sure ain't hosting the Sunday night news. More like a pathetic gadfly bordering on political stalker.

 
At 6:59 AM, Blogger Brian Morrissey said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

 
At 7:02 AM, Blogger Brian Morrissey said...

11:31 pm

Barbara Groom and her Lost Coast Brewery has always been part of the Marina Center. We both plan to move her beer/ale production facilities to the project. Every plan has shown her facility on it.

Call her or me, if you have any questions.

 
At 7:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric V. Kirk says, "I'd lay money down on a clean Local Solutions sweep in Eureka."
How fat is your SoHum wallet?
Because in seven weeks I'd be happy to take your cash.
You name the dollar amount and I'll cover that bet.

 
At 8:44 AM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

In case you aren't a lost cause Eric--You guys are hanging out with each other too much!

You need to circulate and get out there with regular folks! The people I know and talk to regularly are fed up with being worked by pollsters, fed up with the mean bumper stickers that Local Solutions 'volunteers' stick on other people's cars (on their paint!), they're sick of hearing about Salzman and his newest escapades-it gets boring after awhile.

We are also getting a little pissed that Local Solutions is giving Democrats a bad name-at least in my circles. Where’s the middle ground-the appearance of bipartisan working together to tackle and solve the BIG problems: World Peace, hunger in third world countries, poverty in the US, birth control/sex ed and AIDS?

Winning elections isn’t everything if you can’t work with people after you win-and then you keep hammering them about the election ad nauseam, ad infinitum.... Being a lawyer I thought you’d like that last part.

 
At 9:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Expecting something from Michael Smith may not be wise.But it is much wiser than listening or reading any of Charles Douglas's crap.At least Michael doesn't accuse himself of being a reporter and having a paper or whatever you'd call the sentinel.Charles hasn't put anything up since March(even though he has a link up to May,click on it and nothings there).Maybe Smith is a hack,I only met him a few times,but peolpe I know who know him have nothing against him.But I can assure you that Douglas is a bigger one.No one I know comes close to trusting him.

 
At 9:37 AM, Anonymous mresquan said...

Anon 9:12,please quit dwelling on this shit.12:49 am,6:23 am,no one wants your spiel.Get over it.I know Mike,I know Charles,they're people,they can handle their differences amongst themselves if they choose,don't waste Fred's blogspace with it.
I talked to a lady who I think runs the brewing operation at Lost Coast, she told me that there has been extensive discussion with Marina Center reps about them moving their brewing facility into the proposed development.Nothing was finalized,as the property hasn't been transfered over yet.Correct Brian?It seems like they are just moving that facility and the restaurant would stay in its current location.Still,the plan is just so generic,and will do so little to truly benefit us in its current state.It's so dissapointing that the Marina Center folks won't even consider taking Home Depot out of the equation.It would reduce so much backlash for them.This plan,much like the county redevelopment plan,needs to be put to rest until a real plan comes forth.And no,I'm not anti-development,I'm pro smart growth.Their plan in its current state is anything but smart.

 
At 10:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the GREG folks found private funds to finance 100 % their project, would the public adopt it? Is this fight mostly about not using public funds for a project that has a possible candidate for private development?

I don't think it's all about Home Depot as some of you theorize...

 
At 10:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a local solutions endorsement is a kiss of death, how in the hell did measure t pass? Didn't it even have majority support in Eureka?

 
At 10:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does Home Depot have to do with anything?

Are you against jobs for our Eureka and Humboldt County workers?

 
At 10:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does Home Depot have to do with anything?

Are you against jobs for our Eureka and Humboldt County workers?

 
At 10:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brian is a liar.

 
At 10:45 AM, Blogger Matthew Owen said...

Measure T was sold as a "campaign finance reform", correct?

In reality, Native American tribes (AKA: Indian casinos) can give unlimited money to any local candidate.

A union can give unlimited money to any local candidate without even consulting their rank and file workers.

Any individual person, whether residing in Humboldt County or Saudi Arabia can give unlimited money to any local candidate.

Any local corporation (as long as all shareholders reside in Humboldt County) can give unlimited money to any local candidate.

Individual persons can give $99 checks to any local candidate with zero disclosure (i.e., every employee working for Wal-Mart around the world may each legally give a $99 check to any local candidate).

And finally, the 527 political hit piece ads (with unknown contributors) are still perfectly legal against any local candidate, Measure or Proposition.

Like most of you out there, I’m all for real campaign finance reform.

Why don’t we limit any contribution to say $500 or $1,000 per individual or corporation to any candidate? That would be true campaign finance reform.

Ask the Measure T proponents why they declined contributions limits?

 
At 10:48 AM, Blogger Brian Morrissey said...

10:39 - I love you too! But, you forgot ugly and stupid.

It takes a brave person to anonymously call me a liar - your mother would be so proud.

 
At 10:53 AM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

Its not that interesting to read 10:39s post-anon is chicken.

Brian works for Security National, a large local employer (not of the min wage variety).

mresquan has posted a lot about getting better jobs in Humboldt County he doesn't want anymore min wage coffee bars etc-but why is it ok for anon posters to continually slam Security National (with 100's of well pd employees locally) and they are 'trying' to generate more of the same.

Doesn't compute.

 
At 10:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

mrsb814 sends in all those biased opinion pieces to the ER

 
At 11:09 AM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

anon chicken ditto-and who isn't biased? I write from my own comfort zone-not what some PAC tells me to think, do, say.

I am a registered Democrat and I don't vote along party lines; I vote on principle...and wouldn't vote for anyone named 'anon' BY the way.

When I see something I don't like, I write it down and send it in-sometimes I take it back from TS before its printed because I could get more word count at ER. I have never taken back an opinion, corrected one, or regretted having one in the first place.

 
At 11:31 AM, Anonymous mresquan said...

10:45,I am was a measure T proponent and I support contribution limits.The No on T committee chair Chris Crawford said that he was going to work on something as soon as the election was over.I have always wished to work with him on it.He essentially used it as a ruse to get voters to vote no because something better was coming.Voters saw through it.It's September,and nothing has been done.As a matter of fact most T supporters I know support contribution limits,and some are campaigning for prop 89,publicly financed campaigns.And why is it up to HCCR or Democracy Unlimited to work on issues like this?Why can't the business council or the taxpayers league,or someone other faction?

 
At 11:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a few comments to make about
Security National's Marina Center proposal.

First I believe people who hold concerns about SN's position on cleanup have a strong point- especially when you consider the process and cost estimates for total cleanup put forth by SN do not seem well though out and mostly political. Why not totally clean up the site one large section at a time? It cost a lot less to move dirt around than to haul it way and it has significant less impact on the surrounding community.

On the Home Depot issue, while I understand Security National needs to share the economic risk of development with another source, an outfit like Home Depot just doesn't fit on the Waterfront. Plus, the population of Humboldt County doesn't merit the store without considerable risk to the local business communuty. And last, doesn't Home Depot have a responsibility to its shareholders to make a profit, and how do Humboldt's Redwood Trees figure in that mix?

That is why two proposals, each requiring proper public input, should be considered.

First, why not a Humboldt Building Trades CO-OP with light manufacturing, especially "smart" redwood products, didn't someone write a letter to the editor in the last year or two saying the internet was the world's largest "big box". Don't the folks over at Redwood National Bank have expertise in selling local stocks.

Second, doesn't President Richmond over at HSU love to help build things, why not a big building for lower and upper General Education classes. Why not housing for non-traditional students, staff, and faculty. Then CR can concentrate on trade education and allied health careers.

If Security National has to build a "Home Depot-Like" store, do a municipal revenue share and work with Pierson to put it in the north end of the Bayshore Mall parking lot, where it belongs.

Michael
Editor@Fairchance.Us

 
At 11:45 AM, Blogger Fred said...

Mr. esquan asks, "And why is it up to HCCR or Democracy Unlimited to work on issues like this?".

As far as contribution limits, they're not. I believe Kaitlin S-P admitted during that Times- Standard interview she wasn't particularly interested in contribution limits.

I've been told the issue has been brought before the Eureka Chamber of Commerce. I have no idea what progress is being made in that direction.

 
At 11:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael:

Respectfully disagree to "an outfit like Home Depot just doesn't fit on the Waterfront" and "the population of Humboldt County doesn't merit the store without considerable risk to the local business community"

Sounds like your personal opinions.

Have you seen your so-called Waterfront the past 20+ years.
Embarrassing! Blight, rust, homeless, drugs, etc.
Is that what you want for your Waterfront?

Home Depot didn't cause the demise of Ukiah, Redding or Chico (and now coming to Crescent City). In fact all three smaller cities, the local businesses improved after Home Depot arrived (read the BAE, August 1999).

Bottom line is -- we need jobs in Eureka. Are you against jobs?

 
At 12:01 PM, Blogger Brian Morrissey said...

Michael - there is no "cleaning" the lead on the Balloon track. The "clean-up" requires the impacted soils to be dug up, hauled away and stored at special landfill. If we could do a "on-site remediation" we would.

The project has a varierty of uses - it is in fact a true mixed-use project. It was carefully designed to have a minimum of impacts on local business, while incouraging local business to grow and other to relocate here. Lost Coast Brewery is a classic example of that design commitment.

We'd be happy to talk with HSU. We are in a very long public process. We have adapted our plan based on public input - and we are still looking for ways to improve the project.

Finally, one our goals was to reinforce the shopping experince in downtown. We think going out by the mall is a mistake.

 
At 12:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're right, Fred, the Eureka Chamber IS working on draft lanaguage for a campaign donation cap ordinance. As soon as we have the draft language together, we will convene interested groups to review, edit and endorse it.

However, we obviously won't make the Nov election.

Chris Crawford

 
At 12:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This has been a great outlet for many great opinions. I'm glad to see some of our community leaders from both business and non-profit responding. It's not about winning a race for elected office. It's about rebuilding a floundering community. If the money isn't going to come from the taxpayer, then let the business leaders give it a try. They aren't as evil as they are being portrayed. Try working in private industry sometime. It's not a bad way to make a living.

 
At 12:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brian,

A sincere thanks for your feedback.

Re: Cleanup. SN should find a way to do a cost share- nothing personal but it could cost you the project to stick to your current position.

Re: HSU. I could go on for days about the positive impacts for an HSU building project on the site that increases affordability and access for non-traditional college students and supporting staff and faculty. But then again this is Fred's blog, suffice to say President Richmond's eyes light up like a christmas tree when he talks about building stuff. You should give Jane Rodgers a call. Thanks again.

That's my two cents for the day for this sometime very informative thread.

Michael
Editor@FairChance.Us

 
At 1:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Home depot bought out Yard Birds in the Sonoma County market... They deal with competition in all different kinds of ways-

 
At 1:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HD isnot going to buy out Piersons with the highway robbery prices its no competition

 
At 1:59 PM, Blogger Fred said...

11:55 wrote, "Respectfully disagree to "an outfit like Home Depot just doesn't fit on the Waterfront".

When you think about it, first Montgomery Ward, now Target, is already on the waterfront, depending what your definition of "waterfront" is.

And, depending what your definition is, the Bayshore Mall is on the "waterfront". It's not like "big boxes" haven't already been there.

Brian wrote, "We'd be happy to talk with HSU.".

Talk is all you should do with HSU, Brian. We have more than enough educational facilities up here as it is.

We don't need another government project up here, at least voluntarily. We'll likely get more than enough of them we can't say anything about as time goes on. Let's not choose that option when we have the choice.

 
At 2:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good point Fred, I mean Costco is two blocks from the Waterfront. Target is ON the water. And it's not called the "Bayshore" Mall for nothing, huh?

Where are all the protesters there?

Remember Fred, they hate it when you debate with logic or facts.

 
At 2:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 1:29 PM is so consumed with Building Suppy prices, he/she might as well move to a community with multiple Home Depot stores to ensure he has the shortest commute... I'm sure he is also blaming Renner for jacking up gas prices-

 
At 3:12 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

yes,Fred no more educational facilities.Keep closing the schools at whatever cost.Never encourage education.As soon as your kid can walk,send him to work at Home Depot.C'mon Fred.Where are all the protestors,well they stood aside when those things went in and they paid the price for doing so.Now they've learned there lesson.Enough is enough.Plus,Fred we against this particular project are not entirely against building something on the property.We are for something out of the box,not a generic plan that you see in every single small town in this country.We are for something that will make people who live here want to stay here,and that passers through can marvel at.You can't marvel at a Home Depot.

 
At 3:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:37 about jacked up gas prices: Clearlake Oaks on hwy 20 had gas for 1.75 last week now its 1.63 doesnt that make you scratch your head

Competition that brings down prices is good for the consumer and when you know evryone in Hum Co makes min wage-we cant afford to pay out the nose Blaming Renner who else

 
At 3:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:17- no doubt he makes minimum wage based on his poor spelling and grammer.

 
At 3:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

why is everyone complaing so much about prices...sorry its not 1950 prices change....get A JOB that pays you more slackers.....

 
At 3:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is all about Arkley getting back at Pierson for his political left leanings. That Home Depot will be part of the Marina Project period. Right Brian? Doesn't have anything to do what is best for the community.

 
At 3:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't Home Depot strong in Lousiana State? Maybe this has something to do with Arkley pushing it....

 
At 4:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:46 nailed it

no pun intended

 
At 5:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:49 am,6:23 am,no one wants your spiel.Get over it.I know Mike

If you know Michael Smith so well Mr. Esquan, then why are you making excuses for his numerous innacuracies along with your anonymous buddy who would rather blame everthing on Charles Douglas or Nick Bravo or Lee Harvey Oswald or whoever and not address the issue of his lies mistakes and coverups?

Michael Smith was just exposed AGAIN by Morrissey himself for lying about the cleanup requirements. He lied about Dan Hauser and Michael Winkler and Harmony Groves before he covered it all up again. Somebody should start a record of how many times he covers up his own mistakes. Fair Chance my ass.

 
At 5:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://view.homedepotemail.com/?ffcb10-ff3216727367-fe3817717367037c771470-ff0a1770746504&cm_mmc=hd_email-_-VALUE.CNTR5.CSV-_-091906_ValueCenter-_-view+as+web+page

 
At 5:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Open Letter to the Green Party

Thank you for forwarding Budd's E-mail instead of sending one directly to my mailbox. Obviously an oversight as I haven't had any direct contact through the Internet from you in some time. Unfortunately, I too have other plans, like living my life, so thanks.

I think you are deluding yourself if you think the aggression has ceased in our party. I feel much hostility still from some of our members who feel it is necessary to berate, prod, and antagonize other board members with short, curt displays of intolerance and belittling. I, for one, have had enough of the Steering Committee and the shame it has caused the party with all the power grabbing and disrespect it has shown.

Without a measure or an election, the party moves at a slugs pace. There is very little commitment outside of special interests and immediate rewriting and undoing of any progress that had occurred previous to this current Steering Committee. It's enough to turn someone away from registering Green.

Since you and the "Grandstanding Greens" have decided to mow your way through, I will step out of your way and concede my position as Eureka Rep.

I am sure this pleases you to no end, as I have obviously been a distraction and an unwelcome member from the start. Someone will be elected at the next Eureka Greens meeting, hopefully, and someone other than David Cobb and his protegees will take this spot and bridge some understanding between the differing politics of our schismed band of rebels.

Here's one last suggestion. Try encompassing local issues and make some change at a grass roots level. You will have more impact if you are addressing problems closer to home. Its the Green Party, not the U.N. You can shout and protest the war till you are blue in the face, but that wont help the locals and their immediate needs for a safer community. Start with the utility companies and their crooked practices.

Think on that while your doing your closing circle.

Adios,

David Giarrizzo Ex-Delegate Eureka Greens

P.S. As I established and have operated this blog throughout its existence, I would also invite other Eureka Greens members to come on over and contribute to a forum based on free speech. The Eureka Greens have planned to have their own dedicated website for sometime and now is definitely the time to implement it. The time has come for those with a conscience to come forth. Let freedom ring till your ears bleed!

 
At 5:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:12, have ya SEEN the plans? It's no ugly big plain old box. And there will be office space. We'll be witing in line to get space ther. It will be gorgeous. With a view, Killer!

 
At 6:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:46....Do you really believe Rob Arkley stays up nights pondering how to do evil business deeds to his political foes?

If that were the case, then perhaps he should try to establish a non-profit agency that rivals the Youth Services Division of Redwood Community Action Agency and try to bring down Peter LeVallee for winning the mayorial election over his wife Cherie.

Give it a break. It's about business and what works and what doesn't. You can wishful dream about aquariums and culinary institutes and polo fields and dog parks and soccer fields all you want. Who will pay for it? Ultimately, you and me. It's not going to happen. More than anything this is a personality clash between aging hippies turned yuppie and their preppy counterparts.

Larry Glass and associates are afraid of Eureka society becoming an aristocracy. Well, personally I would prefer that to a tofuocracy. And I don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

 
At 6:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:01 Is that you Brian? Methinks you know too much to be a poor, dummy.

 
At 6:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You "progressives" ought to buy and play Sim City.

If you don't keep growing your city decays, and the populace gets angry.

Even kids get it. But all the middle aged wanna-be-protestor, never-were-hippies-but-wish-they-had-been-in-a-sit-in, have-to-live-it-out-vicariously-by-going-after-Arkley idiots don't.

Retrogressive, didn't someone say? Regressive idiots.

 
At 7:58 PM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

Good work!

 
At 9:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask yourself one question -- where do the vast majority of your children go upon high school graduation (and prison doesn't count as an answer)?

They go where there are jobs, education, and life. Not Eureka and not Humboldt County.

We need to start providing opportunities for our children and their families. Otherwise they're off to the Bay Area, LA, Sacto, LoCal, etc.

 
At 10:11 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Way too much to catch up with tonight. This is probably the longest thread I've seen since I started up.

Anyway, somebody who read my remarks commented to me offline that the current election is different from the Kerrigan/Bohn election in two key ways:

1. Kerrigan was a charming good-looking young man who showed up at everybody's door bubbling with idealism and enthusiasm.

2. Kerrigan was an incumbent while the LS backed candidates are challengers with the exception of the mayor.

Perhaps, but but I'm encountering quite a bit of enthusiasm from progressives this campaign season. They're hopeful that they're going to bring the council to a 180 degree turnaround, and their morale is quite high.

But I guess we'll find out in 7 weeks.

 
At 10:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric -

You live in Redway. We live in Eureka.

The "Regressives" I encounter are typically renters on disability, unemployed, civil service workers for the government, or retired. They want no jobs, no housing and no growth of any kind.

The true "Progressives" are homeowners who have jobs and volunteer with local charities. They want more jobs, more housing, and growth for our city.

And there in lies the upcoming election.

 
At 10:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

eric v. kirk:
Why does someone from Redway get involved with Eureka politics?
I know I don't get involved with your politics.

 
At 10:51 PM, Blogger Rose said...

The question is why do a bunch of people from Redway want to "bring the (Eureka City) council to a 180 degree turnaround"?

Why don't they just start a Redway City Council? Or a Garberville City Council?

Why are a bunch of people from Redway throwing big bucks into the Eureka City Council race, albeit through the money-laundering guise of "Local Solutions"?

One candidate I know who took money from the sham "Local Solutions" was told that the money was earmarked for him... that it had been given to them for him. Really? From WHO? And why?

Look at the donations to "Local Solutions" - I posted their campaign filings.
( http://watchpaul.blogspot.com/2006/09/local-solutions-460-campaign.html ) Look where they are from. Where does their money come from? And why do they want to tell you who to vote for?

"Local Solutions" is Richard Salzman:

Alliance for Ethical Business
Alliance for Ethical Business mailing list
Behind the Redwood Curtain
News, Events and Commentary Concerning Humboldt County Politics
FOPG-Listserv
Moderated listserv for Friends of Paul Gallegos
Friends of Chris Kerrigan
Friends of Chris Kerrigan
Friends of Paul Gallegos
Friends of Paul Gallegos Mass List
Local Solutions PAC
Local Solutions Political Action Committee News,
Events and Volunteer Opportunities
Matt's Test List
Richard's List
Richard Salzman's personal list serve

There's nothing to be excited about.

 
At 11:01 PM, Blogger Rose said...

Forgot to add his latest morph:
Redwood Progressive

You know the scammers who try to get you to send money by telling you you have won a glorious vacation? And when you disover you've been had, the police find the scammers have moved on and set up shop with a new name a few blocks away?

That's what you are dealing with here. Lies and deceit, hiding, and shifting, and smiling at you all the while. Yes, Salzman's "progressives" are very excited.

 
At 11:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael Smith was just exposed AGAIN by Morrissey himself for lying about the cleanup requirements. He lied about Dan Hauser and Michael Winkler and Harmony Groves before he covered it all up again. Somebody should start a record of how many times he covers up his own mistakes. Fair Chance my ass.

No matter how many times this retarded gorilla screeches out some absurd conspiracy theory about Charles Douglas and Chris Crawford plotting world domination, the real deal is becoming clear as David Cobb's totalitarian agenda reveals itself. I only hope its not too late for Eureka to suffer under the boot of this Texas heel.

 
At 12:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

one thing i notice from cobbs webpage at duhc.org, theres no monthly meeting anymore, does that mean duhc members have no way of making their voices heard in their own org? can michael smith explain this latest backsliding from socalled democracy?

 
At 1:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They stopped the monthly meetings sometime back because of lack of attendance. - noticed via email
har har har har

 
At 3:50 AM, Anonymous -Mary said...

I wanted to mention too Eric, that Rex's employment was a big factor in his loss. I didn't vote for him and I like Rex a bunch! But the real reason he didn't get my vote was that Kerrigan was only running for one more term and he wasn't screwing up-yet. It seemed premature to unseat him but looking back on it-I'd change my vote given the chance.

 
At 5:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They stopped the monthly meetings sometime back because of lack of attendance. - noticed via email

Demockery Limited, where participation is so valued that no one wants to participate in decision-making? Piss poor excuse for a "people's movement" to accomplish much of anything!

 
At 6:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

what do you expect, consistency and idealism? david cobb has never been within a mile of those.

 
At 6:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

David Cobb and "Demockery Unlimited" was notified by the City of Eureka that they didn't have the proper business license to have "office hours" with the public at a single-family residence.

http://www.duhc.org

I'd be curious what the IRS thinks about "Skill Share 2006", which is another form of barter among the unemployed.

BTW... what does Mr. Cobb do for a living? Ask the question folks.

 
At 7:22 AM, Blogger Fred said...

mresquan writes, "Yes,Fred no more educational facilities.Keep closing the schools at whatever cost.".

We have more than enough educational facilities up here. We have both a university and a community college. That community college has branch campuses, or extensions, all over the place.

I don't see the need for any more.

 
At 7:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask Kaitlin Sopoci-Belknap is she will agree to a dollar amount cap per donor and per candidate as true campaign finance reform to amend Measure T.

 
At 9:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Woolford said at last council meeting she will end homelessness in 10 years . What a lunatic ! That is what they said when the "mac" opened . Yeah right ! Just keep opening more homeless shelters , that'll prevent homelessness !!??? Ha Ha what an idiot . Guess she is trying to fool the public , that's why she works for the RCAA , Alex

 
At 9:27 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

Well, the progressives I'm speaking of live in Eureka. I spoke to some of them yesterday. Eureka isn't what it was 10 years ago.

As for incorporating Redway, I'm all for it. Don't think most of my fellow Redway residents agree however.

And why do I take an interest in Eureka politics? Well, aside from the drama, Eureka politics do affect me. I work there often. I may even move there some day.

 
At 9:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:02 - Try to have some coffee and wake up before you post.

 
At 9:36 AM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

9:02-There appear to be several factual errors in your message. You can obtain the audio recording of the last council meeting on CD (bring your own, or pay $3.00 for one from the city). I’m not aware of Mary Beth Wolford working for RCAA. Peter La Vallee works for RCAA, as has Chris Kerrigan. Mary Beth is retired from the Senior Resource Center and operates several businesses now.

 
At 10:09 AM, Anonymous Mike Buettner said...

I would venture to guess that pretty much any of the current councilmembers and those running in this election could be what we all would like in the City Council if they could only learn to do 2 things.

1. Work together.
2. Listen to all of the community as it exists today.

Number 2 takes some work. It is hard for some to stop looking backward and instead embrace the demographic of our community as it is right now. Communities change. Rather than resenting it and then fighting the change learn to work within those changes.

I'm not talking about the ideological changes as that has created more division. And most often those rifts are more about personalities than anything. It takes a big person to be able to look beyond ones own personal political leanings and appreciate that there is a broad spectrum of folks here. But certainly there is common ground that a councilmember could actually capitalize on to help create some concensus and begin to move on.

Bitterness and name calling accomplishes what?

Okay, I'm an idealist. But it can't hurt to try. If you really want to help try attending a City Committee or Commission meeting of your choice. Or better yet apply for an open seat. You'd be surprised what you learn and maybe even that you share some common ground with those you assume to be the enemy.

 
At 10:40 AM, Blogger mrsb814 said...

Hi Mike! We didn't exchange email addresses yesterday-would you click me and get mine and send me yours please? News.

 
At 9:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

She should stay retired and stay out of politics . Alex H.

 
At 11:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is interesting to note that the LaVallee and Kuhnel signs are being stacked on top of each other..."Green" is powerful stuff, it fertilzes the surounding fields...only problem is that the fragrance also surounds the entire area and becomes part of the message...

 
At 11:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Say Fred,

Thanks one more time for the post.
In Arcata, anti-Meserve strategists backing a Stillman-Wheetley whisper slate could cost Mark his seat on the council.

Mark at this point has the votes to finish in the top three in a very tight race, which gives him a two out of three chance to hold his seat. A Stillman-Wheetley slate could could mobilize hefty support for Meserve.

Also, the Stillman-Wheetley strategy will help Michael Winkler pick up opposition votes from several groups, including Arcata republicans and likely voters from across party lines, making him a serious contender.

In Eureka, it is all about the first and fifth wards. Republicans have to win center, small party and non-partisan support for Jones. it will be a tight race.

In the fifth ward, Tish Wilburn is a real wild card, Mary Beth has her base, Local Solutions and the Democratic Central Committee are building support for Glass, where do Republicans and independents stand here?

In Eureka a progressive sweep is not going to happen, but they could gain control of the council if Jones loses his seat.

In Arcata, the anti-Meserve faction push to put Stillman and Wheetley on the council has a remote possibility to work, but probably will end up costing Wheetley his seat, and less possibly Stillman a top two finish to boot.

The other races in Eureka pretty much stand on their own.

Michael
Editor@fFairChance.Us

 
At 12:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is about which party wins control? Why isn't about who will do the best job? Who is most qualified?

Once elected, every official is supposed to be working for all the people, not for "their base." Once elected, you represent Greens, Republicans, Democrats, non-partisans, Libertarians, Peace and Freedom - EVERYONE.

And when someone has done a good job doing just that why is there even a question that they would be re-elected, Michael?

Wheetly is a good example. He has done a good job, shown himself to be fair, and Arcata should be proud of that. The HCDCC should be proud to endorse him, yet they didn't. (And we all know why).

There's something really wrong.

 
At 12:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:31 PM

I understand where you are coming
from...I hope Mark does well in the
race.

He has significant support and I believe he is a friend of people trying to recieve a good education so they can help themselves and their families.

As far as why he did not recieve the endorsement from HCDCC I think I know how it appears on the surface, but would like to hear you clarify your thoughts.

I know I have great respect for Patrick Riggs and a few others that serve on the committee, but at the same time no one is above civil critique.

If the Democrats had an open one voter one vote procedure for local endorsements like the Humboldt County Greens I am quite positive Wheetley would have recieved the second endorsement, though Winkler supporters would debate me on that.

We all know one person one vote at the local level is not possible in the foreseeable future for the local Democratic or Republican Party.

Michael
Editor@FairChance.Us

 
At 1:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary Beth Wolford (D) versus Larry Glass (D)? Get real!

I mean who are the Regressives gonna trot out next? David Cobb? He ain't ever won anything.

Maybe Salzman can rent an apartment in Eureka.

Like the state and national elections, your candidate better have a pulse.

 
At 1:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael, why are there (0) comments on the original post at Fairchance and even you are partaking with about 200 comments here?

 
At 1:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where does Patrick Riggs live? And what is he doing in Eureka?

The next Redway, Garberville election I'm going support the worst possible candidate by contributing my legally earned dollars, volunteering to walk door-to-door, calling every SoHum resident on the phone banks, and create some B.S. PAC with the appearance moral righteousness, just to mess up their community.

You're welcome.

 

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