Friday, December 09, 2016

College Too Expensive? Yes, For What It Is

Calwatchdog reports a majority of Californians think a college education is too expensive. I like to point out that's likely only because of demand and people thinking college is necessary to begin with. I suggest that's a cultural problem and a college education isn't necessary for many, if not most jobs. If someone learns to read, write and do math in high school, that should be all they need to learn and handle most jobs. 

I might have presented my two examples of the non- necessity of college here before:

I have two nephews, both from the same parents. The first one wanted to be a "rock star" and forego college. His father insisted he attend college, saying it was a necessity for a sound future. I walked in on their argument and took the nephew's side saying if he wanted to do something that didn't require college, why waste his father's money and his time? My opinion carried the day my nephew told me later.

The second one went to HSU at his father's urging and subsidizing. He graduated with his father's help. He's 42 now, has no job, no plans to get one and can't even feed himself, usually eating at his parents house.

I have yet to make my previous point to their father but, if and when I do, I'll point out that he, being a real estate guy, could have been where he is now after taking a six month class at College of the Redwoods and some hard work. I'd also point out his college graduate son is pretty much a bum, but his non- college brother is making his own way...without a college education.

Case closed, but Richard Rider gives us some other facts regarding higher education in California. As far as community colleges go (which I support):

"California, a destitute state, still gives away community college education at fire sale prices. Our CC tuition and fees are the lowest in the nation.  How low?  Nationwide, the average community college tuition and fees are more than double our California CC’s."

"In addition, because of grants and tax credits, up to 2/3 of California CC students pay no net tuition at all"

 "Complaints about increased UC student fees too often ignore a key point — all poor and many middle class CA students don’t pay the UC “fees” (our state’s euphemism for tuition).  There are no fees for most California families with under $80K income. 55% of all undergraduate CA UC students pay zero tuition, and another 14% pay only partial tuition."

Of course, Richard is simply looking at costs, not whether college is something that should be considered in the first place. 

I don't have a problem with going to community colleges to learn a skill. My brother- in- law could be where he is now with simply a community college education and saved himself the time and expense of his university studies. Wasting four years of his life at a university seemed to me a waste of time. 


At 10:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Good ol boys from LSU, go in dumb, come out dumb too."--Randy Newman, "Rednecks"

At 10:52 AM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

It was an eye opener decades ago to read this same critique.

It was eye opening that elites would wiggle between claiming college is needed versus graduates are not finding jobs in their field of expertise.

It was an eye opening FACT that investing out of High School 10K would do more than college education.

College education for most is a pyramid scheme with long-term to pay back borrowed money over the rest of one's lifespan.

Trade Schools offer the most effective education.....provided your head is not up your ass from fucking around throughout high school and then after graduation.

Stephen Hawking pales in comparison to HOJ's "human species critiquing".....the handicapped braniac gives 1000 years on the futures large cap calls on puts, but HOJ says the spread is too wide for rotational flows and the macro indicators are increasing in volume....

Stay put, don't call for help......isolationism is the optional answer now for the global dysfunction.

Tend to your own, let others fend for themselves.....too much "giving" is being hijackedunder the guise of "goodness".....

Fuck American Gubbamint for endorsing a system that takes to give!

At 10:58 AM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

"...not finding jobs in their field of expertise."

I have another nephew of the same family mentioned. He went to HSU and studied courses for engineering. Now he's an engineer with our local CalTrans office. One of the rare success stories where his time in college helped him get a job he probably otherwise couldn't.

At 11:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've hired for administrative positions that require little more than basic competency in MS Office. There is a night-and-day difference between applicants who have a college degree and ones who stopped their education after completing high school.

At 11:53 AM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

"There is a night-and-day difference between applicants who have a college degree and ones who stopped their education after completing high school."

I can't prove it, but I'd be willing to bet if the situation were reversed and the high choolers had college and college boys didn't, those high schoolers would still perform the same even though they graduated college.

At 12:24 PM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

Ah, but night and day can't explain "common sense", "reality of streetwise", anomalies to the systemic pyramid scheme of educational cost produced enslaving personal debt.....for every success story of the system set up is probably over 100 failures.......

At 12:27 PM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

Back in the 1980's, CR was allowing grade schools to register for college classes.....they were Asian about the north coast whites getting jealous, the college then banned the smarter grade school kids because the parent rule went into about a college retardation minds......

At 1:52 PM, Blogger sky hammer said...

The first mistake is that your nephews parents paid for their college. Why?
I was born and raised in S. Humboldt and graduated from HSU several times and never took a dime from my parents.
Instead of Christmas and birthday presents, my parents bought me a few shares in the Dreyfus Fund. In 1955 there were very few mutual funds, now there are 1000's.
By the time I went to HSU, I had more than enough money to pay for college. I worked in the woods during the Summer and collected unemployment while attending HSU.
I first graduated HSU in 1988, by the end of 1985, I was able to retire from a full time job and use my investments to make even more money.
My degree in Forestry Economics paid huge dividends.
Also thanks to the disaster known as Jimmy Carter, Interest rates on CD's went as high as 20%. I was able to double my money in 5 years.In 1990, I went to graduate school and earned a masters in Economics.
My lawyer, a young Robin Arkley, convinced me to invest with him buying surplus Pacific Lumber property.
Thanks to my education, I was able to take that money and buy several large ranches and subdivide them.
Bottom line, education is worth it if you use it. It is very hard to succeed if you work for someone else.
One thing that amazed me while attending HSU was that the students complained about cost, but at the same time they voted to increase fees on themselves. These fees went to free birth control, games, free or reduced cost to rent kayaks, ski equipment etc.Hypocritical and a waste of money.
How these students had the time to play while attending school I will never know. I spent 8-12 hours/day at school. When going to school, I worked for my Professors, who worked timber companies. I was able to hone my craft so I could hit the ground running when I graduated.
I had no intention of working every day beyond the age of 35 and it worked.

At 4:26 PM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

"I had no intention of working every day beyond the age of 35 and it worked."

If I'm reading you right, it did work. Congrats, but I don't see how you could credit college for your success. You did it on your own initiative with HSU merely being incidental to your success.

At 4:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

College made a HUGE difference in my education. Probably primarily because the new crew of friends was much brighter and more motivated than my high school buddies. Second, the profession I choose requires a 5 year University degree to get your foot in the door at the good starter job.

At 5:10 PM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...


Here:"I worked in the woods during the Summer and collected unemployment while attending HSU."

And here: "When going to school, I worked for my Professors, who worked timber companies."

Response: So you fucked other people on SUI knowing you had zero intention to work during the school year AND while collecting funds WHEN you could provide for yourself 100%....

You read as a criminal, point blank!

At 5:14 PM, Blogger Henchman Of Justice said...

Actually, if you delve deep into thought (shallow water), you'll read that Sky claimed SUI while working under the table for HSU staff offsite even though Sky could afford 100% his education.

So, the Unemployed helped pay for Sky's education......


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