Measure T Makes L.A. Times
posted by Fred Mangels @ 10:43 AM
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I posted a comment at 1:02PM today
to Fred's post yesterday (Kaitlin, You Ignorant Slut!) that is related to Chris "Piece Of Shit" Crawford's quote in the LA Times
article on Measure T.
Crawford, who called Measure T a "piece of shit" in the same sentence that he asked Humboldt County election reform supporters
to work together, a quote reported by local newspapers, has no intention whatsoever on helping out anyone except those who profit with him on their distorted, narrow agendas.
The $500 limit scheme was cooked up by Greg Allen and other far right extremist last summer to derail the HCCR ordinance.
Both Greg Allen and Chris Crawford should publicly apology to Humboldt County residents for methodically misleading the public.
Both Allen and Crawford should also publicly apologize to Humboldt County Greens for their roles manipulating the public and press in distorting Green Party of Humboldt County policy through the Eureka Greens, a fake chapter set up by Charles Douglas to use as a public mouthpiece for Allen's disinformation campaign designed to disrupt Green Party activities in Humboldt County.
This obviously must be Mike Smith.
A friendly word of advice, my friend: I'd keep such comments to yourself and your inner circle of friends.
You may sound like you're making good points for the Green Party and your "cause" but, if the general public was privy to your comments and the attempts you've made and are making to suppress dissension with your party, it would NOT be good publicity for either yourself or the Green Party.
No thanks necessary for the advice. I'm here to help.
The $500 limit scheme was cooked up by Greg Allen and other far right extremist last summer to derail the HCCR ordinance. Both Greg Allen and Chris Crawford should publicly apology to Humboldt County residents for methodically misleading the public. Both Allen and Crawford should also publicly apologize to Humboldt County Greens for their roles manipulating the public and press in distorting Green Party of Humboldt County policy through the Eureka Greens, a fake chapter set up by Charles Douglas to use as a public mouthpiece for Allen's disinformation campaign designed to disrupt Green Party activities in Humboldt County.
michael smith just can't get enough greg allen-bashing in.
naturally michael smith's own lack of ability to accomplish anything won't be at issue. he'd rather trash greg allen then actually DO something constructive.
gee Fred,
Are you trying to limit free speech?
Justify with substance which remarks anon 2:09 PM prompted you to give that friendly advice to:
Do you really believe that Allen and Crawford are sincere, or even the least bit ethical for that matter. Did Crawford say that quote? Yes.
Did Allen and his inner circle cook up that ordinance scheme last summer and circulate it? Yes
For that matter, Greg acts as the chairman of the GPHC, and has since Nov. 5 2004, while exclusively dominanting local Green Party policy, both internally and in the media until his de facto policies were publicly challenged earlier this year. And you say anon 2:09PM is supressing dissension?
Doesn't the NOT committee know that the Eureka Greens are a farce?
And who is greeningeureka, the bot that gave you "permission" to post the Eureka Green endorsement on the NOT website. Do you even know the person's name?
I do believe you do great work Fred, so you shouldn't personally
be upset when someone offers real dissent even though it might ruffle a few feathers.
Greg Allen and Chris Crawford are using the GPHC and distorting our message.
Let's not forget Mike Smith and his "death threats" on Humboldt-Forums.com last year.
response to comment Anon 3:10:
Humboldt-Forums.Com was a site administered by Greg Allen's friend and campaign site administrator and purposely abused to spread disinformation about local progressives by Charles Douglas.
For that matter, Greg acts as the chairman of the GPHC, and has since Nov. 5 2004, while exclusively dominanting local Green Party policy, both internally and in the media until his de facto policies were publicly challenged earlier this year. And you say anon 2:09PM is supressing dissension?
from anon 3:04 its even more obsessive-compulsive michael smith show.
in case mikey ever gets a clue: the rest of us are tired of all whining over this green party mess. even the greens sick of it. didn't they vote not to consider your crazy recall of greg allen?
the more you share your compulsion on greg the worse it gets for you. you don't get it. he looks reasonable in comparison with your conspiracy theory worldview. so does chris crawford.
Mike writes: "Are you trying to limit free speech?".
Nope, you're free to post whatever you want, until you make too big an ass of yourself (and the Green Party).
Have at it. If you get too strung out, I'll go ahead and shut you off. For your own benefit, and the Greens.
You're not doing well now, my friend.
It's a total and complete joke for Michael Smith (Anon 2:09, 3:04, 3:29) to suggest how humboldt-forums.com was run on behalf of Greg Allen. Before the old postings on the site were deleted by its owner, it was full of attacks against Greg Allen and anyone associated with him.
Crawford is sincere about the $500 limit. It won't work, and he'll have to come around to that.
Ohwell said...
It's a total and complete joke for Michael Smith (Anon 2:09, 3:04, 3:29) to suggest how humboldt-forums.com was run on behalf of Greg Allen. Before the old postings on the site were deleted by its owner, it was full of attacks against Greg Allen and anyone associated with him.
8:01 PM
What is wrong with that guy? A forum that didn't like Greg Allen posts, was run by Greg Allen because Greg Allen Greg Allen GREG ALLEN! Mikey needs to go visit SV soon.
At least get his ducks in a row.
No wonder the Greens can't get anyone elected to a major office if this is the sort of stuff that consumes their time.
this is the sort of stuff that consumes their time.
Thank God.
Fred,
Don't be shy about moderating the comments. This is your blog. If you fail to moderate, it will become unbearable, or you'll be forced to censor all comments. Moderate with extreme prejudice. If not, the crazies will take over.
just remember what happened to humboldt-forums, mike smith showed up and bam, it was slammed with so much threats and crapola.
yea, fred.
delete this silly stuff about greg allen so we can get back to name-calling and bashing local solutions, democracy unlimited, alliance for ethical business, and any other left-leaning group that might prove effective at organizing....
local solutions proven effective. like when they lost all three school board seats in arcata, not to mention that landslide against them for eureka harbor district. their only real victory so far is putting that bob ornelas clone mike wilson in arcata's harbor district seat so he can vote against the railroad. yippie.
Fred,
I notice that most every response did not put forth any counter argument to what I had to say.
Why do Allen/Crawford apologist refuse to discuss the Humboldt County Campaign Contribution Limitation Ordinance that is the root of the $500 Fakery.
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Section 6. Statement of Law: Limitation of Contributions.
A.Limitations on Contributions:
1. No person other than a candidate shall make, and no campaign treasurer shall solicit or accept, any contribution which will cause the total amount contributed by such person during an election cycle in support or opposition to to such candidate for county office, including contributions to all committees supporting or opposing such candidate, or in support or opposition of a recall, to become an amount exceeding the base amount of $500 (five hundred dollars) for the election cycle, adjusted pursuant to Section 9.*
*Section 9. Other Remedies Unimpaired. Remedies under this Ordinance shall be cumulative and shall be in addition to any and all other remedies, civil or criminal, provided for under any other provision of federal, state or local law.
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What do you think Fred, You should ask Allen or Crawford about this, or maybe you already have a copy?
My first question about this is what is the definition of persons?
I find it absent from Section 3, which list definitions.
Can corporations donate as much as they want? What about non-profits?
What about labor unions, does this statement of law limit labor unions to 500?
Since I am only bashed on this site and no one seems to want to discuss the issues, will you Fred, please answer this one question. If you do I will forget the question I asked earlier about who is greeningeureka, the thing that gave you permission to put the fake Eureka Green endorsement on the NOT site.
Another question is how would measure T play into this if the fake ordinance I cited was in effect today?
Would Wal-Mart be able to throw in $250,000?
From what little I've heard, the idea would be to limit contributions from all entities, not just businesses as Measure T does. There'd be little point in coming up with contribution limits that don't apply to one side or the other. That's the main complaint most people have with Measure T.
As far as the Humboldt County Campaign Contribution Limitation Ordinance you mention, I've never seen it. I've only heard it mentioned here, and this is the first time I believe I've heard it by name.
Looks like that might be a good place to start although obviously one Green, Mike Smith, is unhappy with it, along with about everything else in the world.
I realize you certainly don't speak for all Greens but it certainly helps make my point that it will likely be a herculean task trying to get all parties involved to agree on the particulars of a campaign contribution ordinance.
I think youre silly! $500.00 thats all ya need. Everyone thinks that "MONEY" Buys everything. Wrong Answer. The greens just need to do whats God Damn fair don't ya think?
Bicker, Bicker, Bicker! What do You get? What do the Greens get besides Michael Smith embarassing us? Thanks for lettting the Voters be so Ignorant.
mike smith speaks only for himself, depending on which personality you talk to. fortuna greens have lost 23% of their members since fortuna resident mike smith started his hate campaign. there will be no explaination for that from one of his anonymous selves.
Who the hell is Mike Smith?
Measure T is so bad that it brought two very opposites to the same conclusion. Who would have thought that Greg Allen and Chris Crawford would agree on anything.
Measure T supporters seem to be getting pretty desparate here. Too bad the nut cases don't understand that you can adamantly support campaign finance reform and not approve of their stupid, ill conceived and badly written measure.
Seems the HCDCC has taken a pie in the face on this one also. Supporting it in the face of its problems detracts significantly from their credibility.
Mike Smith is a Green Party gadfly who specializes in public whining about how he deserves more welfare and more public assistance from local government. He runs fairchance.us which features pronouncements on the doom of Greg Allen and any other Green Party leader who won't obey him.
conintelpro, cointelpro conintelpro
MICHAEL SMITH THINKS WE DON'T KNOW WHO HE WORKS FOR: It is a common tactic of FBI COINTELPRO to try to be THE FIRST ONE MAKE THE ACCUSATION. Sometimes, if you simply post information on Disinformers; without naming anyone, the Disinformers will identify themselves, by taking offense, and popping in, to comment. Occasionally, even though you do not mention anyone's name, they will claim that what you havewritten is about them. Nothing could be more precise, in identifying exactly WHO are the disinformers, than the disinformers own reaction to this post. This is essentially the very old military strategy of the creation a "decoy to draw enemy fire." The ultimate success of this deception is to cause defenders of liberty to "fire" on non-combatants, or even to "fire" on their own friends, and allies. In addition, the false patriot will neutralize the efforts of the defenders of liberty. The false patriot, like every other player in the gambit, will neutralize the efforts of the defenders of liberty by: Dividing the defenders of liberty into fighting each other by creating strife among patriots. Attempting to waste the time of patriots, by forcing them to respond to personal attacks, or endless debate about trivia. Using multiple aliases to create the appearance that there is someone, who believes them to be credible. ABOVE ALL: Accusing the most effective patriots of being false opposition. THE GOLDEN RULE OF DISINFORMERS: Always accuse your adversary of whatever is true about yourself.
Ahhh, gallegos' playbook!
Who is Mike Smith?
Forget about Mike Smith, too know where that rant about Smith's cointelpro status was cut and pasted from just research, the7thFire.
That will set you straight, by the way, you can also buy all sorts of stuff from dreamcatchers to debt elimination packages too well, how
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