Republican Women Endorse Flemming
I'd almost say "no surprise there", except here we are again with two candidates of the same party running against each other and the Republican Women putting their bylaws on hold and endorsing Nancy Flemming in the Board of Supes race. Gee, when did we last see a similar situation? Why...the Gallegos vs. Dikeman affair.
So, is this tit for tat, or what? The Democrats backed Dikeman because Gallegos was clearly much more to the left than Dikeman was and Gallegos was also seen as anti- business. So, since Bonnie Neely is clearly far to the left of Flemming, I guess it would make sense to back Flemming.
I wonder about a couple things: Will Neely make a big issue out of this like Dikeman did? I doubt it.
I also wonder why Neely's stayed a registered Republican after all these years?
posted by Fred Mangels @ 7:56 AM
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86 Comments:
Fred,
In your secod paragraph you have it ass backward. The dems endorsed Gallegos. I'm sure everyone knows what you were trying to say.
Mike Harvey
Nah. Not in Neely's interest to even comment. She'll let her supporters remind everybody that she's not a "true Republican." That endorsement was a mistake. I didn't think Republicans made that kind of mistake.
Mike wrote, "In your secod paragraph you have it ass backward.".
Yeah, I meant Gallegos. Damn. I was trying to be careful not to make that mistake, too.
Heraldo wrote, "That endorsement was a mistake.".
Yeah. I think I'd of left that one alone, myself.
No it was Eric that said "That endorsement was a mistake."
Better have another cup of coffee, Fred:-)
Don't normally drink coffee, Heraldo. Maybe that's one of my problems?
You should Fred. According to the NY Times, coffee is one of the best sources of anti-oxident.
I stopped drinking coffee a few years ago when I found out I had high blood pressure. Figured it was the easiest "bad habit" to stop, so I quit drinking it every day.
I read a while back some studies are suggesting coffee may help prevent liver problems, or some such. Hmmm...
Some studies show coffee prevents psoriasis of the liver for alcoholics. So unless your a heavy drinker, I would suggest you lay off the stuff.
Bonnie is anti growth and has shown that for years. Nancy is pro growth and is favorable to the Marina project. If you want jobs within this next year, vote for Nancy. If you want status quo, Bonnie is your candidate. Looks like only the Republicans around here are "progressive."
Yah, shoor. Fancy-Nancy the Neocon's gal. Bonnie has always been for good growth, but not the kind where the neighbors get the shaft.
Bonnie has always been for good growth? Name one project! Just one! What has she done to help this county grow! Nothing but taking wages and benefits as a life time politician. Give me a break.
That was a waste of space. bonnie is a politician, it's the only steady job she's ever had. she will say anything to get elected! And she will do almost anything to get elected. fleming is not much better.
Just a note. Supervisor Jimmy Smith seems to do his job because he actually cares and wants to do the right thing. He seems to be a genuine, decent, honest guy that cares for Humboldt County! How did he ever get elected ?
No, you give me a break! Bonnie has been a "lifetime politician" because the people know she works for them, not the rich elite developers that are in Nancy's camp.
If Nancy had her way when she was mayor we would have a Wal-Mart on the waterfront. Sure, those types of businesses are good in the short term- supplying jobs for construction, etc.- and then afterward we're left with big box junk jobs paying minimum wage.
Bonnie's work on the Board of Supes has improved our transportation routes and she's always been for port development. She's also helped expand many local businesses - Fire and Light, Loleta Cheese, endorsed by Humboldt Creamery CEO Rich Ghilarducci, advocated for Eel River Saw Mill employees, etc.
Now, name one thing Nancy has done to help this county grow- besides that ugly-assed monstrosity called the U-Freaka Boardwalk.
Nancy was a champion of tourism, the much touted new goal of the lefties/locosolutions handwringers.
Only she was successful. And they don't really mean it.
It really is a case of two pretty decent people, but one has sold out to the locosolutions crowd whose Orwellian chant seeks to redirect attention.
Nancy is pretty independent and has earned respect, more of a loner than a follower.
That dog won't hunt Richard. Try another tack.
If you like Bush, you will loooove Flemming!
Bonnie supports Bush and Arnold. None of those jobs Bonnie help create pay a living wage! The Eel River workers are out of work! Smoke and mirrors.
Nancy Flemming truly is much more of a middle of the road candidate than Bonnie Neely. Depending on the issue, she will address it individually as opposed to a party line rhetoric. (Even if it's not from her own party) For instance, when has oil drilling off the coast of Humboldt been a recent issue?
We used to have whaling here too. Why aren't we pushing to save the whales? That's fear mongering positioned from liberal rhetoric.
I don't believe Neely champions the working class residents. She is in bed with the Humboldt County government status quo, whom I believe are more interested in keeping their government jobs than actually repairing the economy.
If we have more a down trodden work force, we have a larger need for government assistance. And Federal, State and County jobs tend to only go the the educated sector. So, do we keep the blue collar in welfare and keep raising taxes to fund more programs or do we build up the community to be sustainable via private industry.
My bet, is if you come from a public sector employment backround you are an equal to those folks who grow up with a history of living on welfare. Why would you know any better? Private industry is not evil. But regulators, through creation of their own workforce, tend to push private industry out of existence.
We're not talking just about the Marina Center folks, we're talking about the future of Humboldt County. The Marina Project is not going to affect that many people in the long run. Has Ukiah gone under because they have a Wal-Mart and a Home Depot? No, Mendocino is growing with an agriculture (legal) based economy and appears to be thriving. Humboldt seems to be mired in a tug of war between those who want to take us back to pre-European settlement and those who want to drag us screaming and kicking into the future.
Nancy Flemming's work with the revitalization of Old Town is a perfect example of what She has done in her years in Eureka. Take a look at a photo of the waterfront from 1975 and look at today. With her guidance and contacts in the business world, the waterfront has become a viable community district rather than a rotting shell of it's former self. I believe Nancy Flemming has vision for Eureka's future. Bonnie Neely is more interested in being politically saavy.
Nancy did that herself? Boy, I'd vote for her! Better yet - make her queen!
Eric, explain your reasons for disliking Flemming, rather than bringing up the "Queen Nancy" or "Fancy-Nancy" titles.
Aside from her clothing attire and social connections, what is it?
If you believe she doesn't come from common roots, than you don't know the person. She is not a person of great priviledge. You do know she and her husband, (A PGE worker and fishing boat operator) live off the grid.
Is the sole reason, because she is a Republican? The supervisors races is a non-partisan race. What does party have to do with it? Bush will be gone in a few years, then what?
I'm not a Republican myself, but I feel Nancy Flemming is more tuned into providing a viable future for the 4th District and Humboldt County than Bonnie Neely.
And your opinion?
(For what it's worth, I respect your opinion over most commentors)
Dikeman/Gallegos again?? You foamers just don't quit.
One of Flemming's best talents is taking credit for the work of others. She was nowhere near city government during the revitalization of Old Town and did not get involved until 1990. She is a lying b*$#!
Anonymous 9:29 pm "Bonnie's work on the Board of Supes has improved our transportation routes and she's always been for port development."
One more reason to not do drugs.
If today's transportation routes are an improvement, I'd hate to see what it was like before.
And BTW, this 4th District Supervisor race election will be held in Eureka, not Arcata and Trinidad.
Pacific Affiliates built a dock loading facility on the Eureka Harbor that has sat vacant for years. Name the container ships coming into the Humboldt Harbor? You can probably name them on your left hand.
In the meantime, the port of Long Beach and Oakland are backed-up and hiring thousands of Teamsters union workers with living wages and full benefits.
anon 2:07 - Truth is, I don't like her nor dislike her. I don't know much about her. But somebody posted that she'd cleaned up Old Town and I was simply making a smarmy response.
How I'd vote? Probably for Bonnie Neely based on her willingness to buck Arkley on the waterfront proposal, at least as it's been presented to me. Problem is, nobody seems to want to give me a whole lot of facts, other than that Home Depot would be part of the deal, and if it requires a similar zoning variance that WalMart was looking for i would have a hard time with that.
However, you'll note that I don't comment a whole lot on the balloon tract/track issue. I'd intended to read the North Coast Journal piece and maybe develop an opinion, but it's still sitting in my stack of reading material next to my bed.
Of course I'd have voted for Marks given the opportunity. And while I don't think that party affiliation should be an issue per se for a nonpartisan position, party membership does sometimes reflect political philosophy which certainly is an issue for the position for which she is running. I'd be less concerned about it if she was running for assessor.
Eric and all,
Nobody says anything about the Green party endorsing. Their numbers countywide are just over 5% of total voters. In The 4th district the spread between Dems and the GOP is around 13%.
Garnering your base is essential. Just as Mr. Lamont in CT. With that said...because they both are Republicans make this interesting.
Mike Harvey
"Name the container ships coming into the Humboldt Harbor? You can probably name them on your left hand.
and this has something to do with Bonnie?
Maybe one of them is named after Bonnie ?
Well there haven't been any container ships here in quite some time other than a few to the Pulp Mill perhaps. There is zero shipping on Humboldt Bay. A few log barges to Murphy once in a blue moon. And that's logs coming here from Canada. Pulp from Samoa goes south by truck.
Big port biz is a wet dream for the Harbor District but neither Bonnie nor Nancy will have a thing to say about it as a Supervisor.
Shipping here is not happening because we are too far from any hub. Oakland is not overflowing and in fact it is adding capacity. Ships from China would get to Humboldt Bay a day sooner than SF. But then all those containers need to be put on a non-existent train and spend a day and a half getting to Oakland.
Whoopie!
Evergreen still ships pulp out to Korea and China using local union Longshoremen. The majority goes out by containers that are hauled by out of the area non union truckers to the Port of Oakland on the way to China. I would love to see our pulp trucked out ina finishes product such as egg cartons. We should definitely look into milk carton and paper cup production. Hate to see it done in Stockton and Bakersfield. Even Pactiv Red Bluff.
Funny how some of you are so fearful of us becoming like the Bay Area, but your proposals seem to be aimed at making us just like that in the end. We don't want growth but we want to be the Port of Oakland. Huh? I don't get it.
So samoasoftball... what does mangagement at Evergreen think about the value added idea you're talking about. What is the hitch? Has there been a feasb/market study on that?
Mike:
"Nobody says anything about the Green party endorsing."
Maybe not, but are any of the candidates actively seeking the Green endorsement? Depending on the area of the county, that could be a huge mistake.
You definitely have to shore up your base, but probably better to do it with your platform than endorsements that peg you. Neely's people are already making use of it.
Neely's people? Who does that include?
Well, whoever put her website together for one thing.
http://www.bonnieneely.org/index.html
Interesting. Rodoni's endorsed Neely.
Erik: Rodoni made the comment of riding the horse you know concerning Bonnie, then he was bucked off his regular ride and was hurt and is still healing. Ironic, no?
9:07- Yes, there have been many feasiblity studies by past owners of the pulp mill. And there was lobbying being done to try to secure state & federal useage of totally chlorine free paper products in the 90's. I did my share locally trying to educate people of taking advantage of what should be considered "an environmentally friendly" product. I did a big dog and pony show for the Times Standard in 1995. But rogue owners came in an caused an environmental disaster that has left the community not trusting.
I tried to organize a Employee Stock Option Plan buyout of Samoa Pacific 2 years ago, with the idea of forming a citizens advisory committee to watchdog our enviromental cleanup process. It was unsucessful and we were bought for roughly 5 million dollars by Lee & Mann.
We are the only Pulp Mill in North America that produces pulp without any dioxen! We should be lauded but we still come up short for total clean-up. I am not part of management, so I am in a weird position as far as lobbying for our pulp to stay here. All of our pulp has been earmarked for our parent company, Lee & Mann or to Korea when the open pulp market gets hot. I would like to see any excess pulp over our projected totals stay domestic to supply jobs locally. I am just not empowered to make decisions as an hourly employee.
I ran for County Supervisor to lift that constraint, but alas, I finished 3rd in a three person race. Last that is.
You would have had a chance, samoa, but for the interventions of the Patrick Riggs fascista's and locosolutions/HCDCC conglomerate.
Eric's comment that any candidates (including Neely)hypothetical acceptance of a Green Party of Humboldt County endorsement could "be a huge mistake" proves he has no sense of recent election history, no sense of election demographics and no sense, period.
Since we know Eric has a brain, he should start studying up on election stats and boring stuff like that, else he ends up on the same heap of posters that argued that Green voter turnout was only 25% in the June election. That heap by the way, was a losing heap.
That said, I think Nancy Fleming should be like Richard Marks and seek the Eureka Green endorsement, that fine group of organizers will surely drive her to victory come election day.
Or Nancy could kiss up to Salzman and be assured of victory. Get cozy with Patrick Riggs and speak locosolutions talking points. Or, not.
There's no reason to seek the green endorsement. If you're going to appeal to greens, they're going to vote for you anyway, regardless of any official endorsement. Similarly, I don't think the Republicans are going to vote for Fleming because the women's group endorsed her. They would vote for her because she represents their values.
It does however inform those who don't share the values as to where Fleming probably stands. When your party doesn't represent the largest group of voters it seems pointless to frame the election in party terms. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm no Joshua Lymon.
Wonder if Nancy will get the Wiyot endorsement?
samoasoftball said...
"I ran for County Supervisor to lift that constraint"
what constraint?
11:58, one of Salzmna's goons, testing the spin.
Salzman's goons?? Have you actually met Richard Salzman? You insult some very educated and independent people, including some former republicans, when you call them all "Richard's goons". Hopefully the people of Eureka are smarter than you and will re-elect Neely and LaVallee then replace the Arkley cartel with Nan Abrams, Ron Kuhnel and Larry Glass. Power to the people!!
"So it looks like Mr. Salzman was right all along."
http://www.northcoastjournal.com/090105/cover0901.html
In solidarity.
9:47 am you need to get you med's adjusted.
I was referring to 11:58 as a goon. Was that you?
9:47 - you do need your meds adjusted. Wasn't Greg Connors (el capitano nutter) a former republican? I think so and I simply don't mind it 9:47 if he feels insulted by that blogger. You don't mean "power to the people" - you mean power to the leftist elite (not the leftists upon which I identify with.) Look what the Leftist elite did to Richard Marks. They are bums and need to be thrown out and have the real People take back their party. Bonnie needs to go no matter how nice can be. She has been there too long and has shown that she will say anything to keep her job instead of doing her job. Thats her problem. 20 years of waffling is enough.
anon 947 - Don't get your hopes up. Bonnie's re-election is pretty much a done deal. And believe me, I'm not all that sanguine about it.
12:59am Lifting the constraint of not being able to pressure media or public about the need to process our pulp locally creating good jobs while not hurting our environment. I have the chains of an hourly employee. A voice in the wind. I have been working on the Peninsula since the 70's and plan to retire from Evergreen. Too bad local environmental groups don't focus on this subject.
Or let me put it this way, every tissue, paper product, cardboard box, sanitary napkin, paper plate even food fillers that you use today have been processed with the use of Dioxin! Highly amounts of Carcinogens. And here we have pulp processed without any. We are the only certified Totally Chlorine Free Pulp Mill in North America. But we send all over seas. Sad.
Hey, wait a minute - Greg Conners is a great guy. Just ask me.
---Greg
By the way, I made too many miscalculations along my campaign is why I lost. Shane Brinton tried to shore up my Democratic left base but we were too late and cash poor. Shane did raise thousands of dollars for my campaign with creative fund raising. I felt shane managed our money budget as well as could be expected on less than $14,000. (Bonnie and Nancy spent well over $100,000 between them.)
Local Solutions didn't think I had a chance and had made a promise to endorse Bonnie before I entered the scene. Don't think they were not disappointed that I decided to run. I put them in an uncomfortable position they did not expect. Hindsight is 20/20. (The situation is clearer now that it is over.)
The Eureka Green Party gave me their endorsement and I had some helping with my campaign. There were lots of positives that happened for me and my committee during the campaign, so all was not lost. I love Humboldt County and all of its political quirks!
Richard Marks
I ran for 4th District Supe when Bonnie first ran and endorsed her immediately following the primary. We were both Republicans at the time. Bonnie no doubt remains a Republican because of her family's business background and her business connections. The Dems need more business people.
The Republican party left me when Newt Gingrich starting stroking Jerry Falwell.
But please, no need to toss bouquets like "el capitano nutter" at me. I take name-calling as a compliment, anyway. I'm a Eureka native and have attended most HCDCC meetings in the last year or so. I can vouch for the sanity and good will of HCDCC and hope to see you all join in publicly to try to make life better here. Go ahead, reply anonymously, ya chickens!
---Greg again.
Poor Richard. Still whining. And I like you.
Will you be inviting Stephen Lewis to attend, Greg? Will you be being nice to him?
Will you be apologizing for your treatment of Worth Dikeman?
Will you be treating regular Democrats who happen to come in thinking the HCDCC is the real deal and not a closed club with respect, Mr. Conners?
Will you be going into closed session whenever anyone challenges Herr Riggs?
Money where your mouth is, dude.
Let's get the facts straight . Neely wants to take our money and give it to Druggies . LaValle , wants to shelters in town ( he's already got one in the County ) He gives them names to decieve the public such as ; safe and sober rehabs. - homeless , drug rehabs , substance abuse houses , transitional housing and more . Another 4 years with this Kook ? Of course there's smelly , A.K.A. Larry Glass who favors criminals over us good decent tax payers .
speaking of , Larry Glass , would somebody give him $4.00 so , he can wash his clothes and oh ueah , another $12 for a haircut , too .
5:10-Damn! I read it again and I did not see the whine factor. Sorry if I sounded it that way. I am trying to be focused on the future direction of Eureka.
You've been pretty level headed about it, samoa. Especially given all the factions.
Here's a link if you want to know what I think these days.
http://www.times-standard.com/fastsearchresults/ci_4088395
Answers to anon above -
Will you be inviting Stephen Lewis to attend, Greg? No, but he is welcome. HCDCC mtgs are publicly noticed.
Will you be being nice to him? Yes. More nice people are needed and I try to be nice, even to Stephen, who I do not know.
Will you be apologizing for your treatment of Worth Dikeman? No, In fact, my wife and I donated to Worth before we decided to back Gallegos. I was a Farmer voter who opposed the recall. Go figure.
Will you be treating regular Democrats who happen to come in thinking the HCDCC is the real deal and not a closed club with respect, Mr. Conners? Yes, as always. HCDCC treats me with respect, and I am not a voting member myself. I have been granted legal proxy voting rights a couple of times due to absences by voting members.
Will you be going into closed session etc.? As far as I know, HCDCC does not have closed sessions, but I do have Patrick's cell number. What's with the Herr Riggs? Patrick is a dedicated teacher, union leader and very effective chair. As far as I know he doesn't have a mean bone in his body and does not mean any harm to you or anyone.
Best,
Greg
PS - Let's all work a little closer, starting by dropping the anonymous personal attacks. I will figure out how to log on here with my name eventually.
Dear Fred's Bloggers,
I rarely check out the comments, because the level of civility degenerates rapidly, probably because of the writers' ability to write anonymously.
I find civility is lacking these days. My hope is that we can bring a renaissance of civility to our public discourse. After all, we do live, work, play and sleep in the same commuinity.
Cordially,
Carol Ann Conners
Voting Member of the HCDCC
1st District
then carol and greg - start practicing what you preach and be civil to the dems that disagree with you.
Anonymous 9:47 AM "Salzman's goons?? Have you actually met Richard Salzman? You insult some very educated and independent people, including some former republicans, when you call them all "Richard's goons". Hopefully the people of Eureka are smarter than you and will re-elect Neely and LaVallee then replace the Arkley cartel with Nan Abrams, Ron Kuhnel and Larry Glass. Power to the people!!"
9:47 - You should look into stand-up comedy. I checked Webster's dictionary for the definition of "Progress"
2 :a forward or onward movement (as to an objective or to a goal) :ADVANCE
All the names you mentioned above should be in the Regressive party.
This November's election will come down to whether the citizens of Eureka want to move forward with the community or slide backwards.
Jobs, housing, crime and the environment will define most of the candidates and their specific ideas to implement the taking Eureka forward.
If you want to slide backwards, move to Arcata. It's a free country.
If you want to live in Santa Rosa move there.
"then carol and greg - start practicing what you preach and be civil to the dems that disagree with you."
Primary season can be pretty rough. I think I'm on pretty good terms with most people, including Shane B. and Richard M. That doesn't mean we will always agree. Carol and I don't always agree, either. Hopefully we are more than just "civil". Since about three people are left on this string, I'll sign off. You can have the last word.
I'm not one of the three but POWER TO THE PEOPLE ? cmon
This Carol gal sure thinks she an aristicrat ?
ATTENTION!
LaValle is trying to get another ( yes , another ) rehab. shelter opened instead of their being a ( nice ) Best Western Motel on South Broadway. Glass wants criminals to run Eureka instead of Police . Wolford had 4 years to do it - still same 'old shit.Same lies . Jeff ain't done nothing much for us . Kerrington - Ha Ha Ha Hee Hee Ho Ho Neely wants to give our money to druggies Flemming and Droz.... hmmmmmmm haven't heard any complaints .I'd vote for them.
Who are you,Anon 8:10 AM and 3:39 PM? And tell me how have I been un-civil to you? I was taught, "If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all." I am not an aristocrat, just an ordinary American citizen who would like to see civil discourse and discussion.
Peace to you, anon.
too little too late dear.
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Well the anonymous COWARD that wrote the previous note under my name was NOT ME, Carol Ann Conners. How pathetic.
The REAL CAROL ANN CONNERS
DOWN WITH LAVALLE AND NO MORE STUPID COUNCIL.
Steve's shorts says.
shorts don't talk - people do.
DROZ AND FLEMMING > GO!GO!GO!
Does Fleming also blame all of Eureka's problems on the needle exchange program?
What exactly make Nancy so much farther to the right than Bonnie? They are both Arnold and Bush loving Republicans. Please be respectful, I am just curious.
Nobody is blaming needle exchange for any problem . Jerry Droz stared that they DO NOT even ask us where our tax dollars should be spent . He does say that they take our money and WITHOUT ASKING use it for whatever reason they see fit without getting the peoples permission . So , the same would apply for other programs . The people should decide ....that's all.
C'mon i don't think anybody likes Bush.........
NEXT ?
Loco Fred , what's you say ........dude ?
Well then, the TS misquoted him.
Jerry Droz, a property rehabilitator, focuses on crime. He said the county is taking tax money and giving it to “those who commit illegal activity” without even asking where the money should be spent. He says the county's needle exchange program is a problem that is escalating.
Droz writes that crime is so bad that criminals have taken over neighborhoods in some areas.
Droz is a lunatic. Ever talk to him?
This campaign is the first I've ever heard of him.
THE GUY ( HE MAKES UP MANY NAMES ) WHO SAYS DROZ IS A LUNATIC IS ONLY BECAUSE HE A SPACE - CASE HIMSELF !!
sounds like it to me . how's about another subject?
droz has got it together and is addressing our cities problems while the other candidates hide from ...............
issues .
Right on , Mr.Droz !!!!!!
Peter L.
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