A Trolley For Old Town, Eureka?
Eureka must not be too bad off financially if they're seriously talking about bringing a trolley to the Old Town area. Anything like that would have to be subsidized, as city council candidate, Larry Glass, alludes to. The fact that he's even proposing such a thing should give someone pause in considering voting for him.
I don't see the point in a trolley, subsidized or not. Everything in Old Town is within walking distance.
posted by Fred Mangels @ 9:33 AM
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I don't think he supports it as it stands,but if maintenance costs and such were reasonable,and affordable,why not look into it.
I'd like to hear more about the proposal. The Cable Car in SF isn't "necessary" either. But it's a tourist attraction. Like it or not, tourism is one of the few growing industries around here right now.
It's just crap ......... a would be politician coming up with "ideas" or a platform to run on. To give the appearance of being a thinker or "progressive".
Dumb idea (for Eureka), never happen, BS crap hoping for a few votes, and to keep the focus on the ISSUE of his true motivation for running for council (and I am suggesting I know what that true motivation is).
You can dress it up all you want, it's just BS. Truth is a politicain has to lie to get elected.
Eric - do you blog just to read yourself over and over. You don't even live in Eureka. Why do you incessantly stick your nose in things you don't have any business in. If you want to effectuate change in Eureka, them move your butt to Eureka. Other than that, why not confine your dribble to so-hum.
anon 10:30,the idea was proposed by Moss Bittner,all Larry did was say that he thought that it was a good idea if feasable.That's why he wants to continue to talk to Moss about it.So enlightened one,please tell all his "true motivation".
10:31 you should say the same to Richard Salzman.
Eureka is the county seat and the main potential source of pollution in Humboldt Bay. More people from everywhere should be butting in to Eureka's business. This is especially true when a town has a city council that does not hesitate to suspend democratic public participation at the request of the local kazillionaire. Pay no heed to those parochial, selfish people who want to keep the undue influence all to themselves.
"Why do you incessantly stick your nose in things you don't have any business in."
Because it's fun?
I'm not sure what his true motivation is! Maybe to mess with Arkley, as it appears he hates Arkley ? Or there is the other ---
Maybe Mr. Glass really does want to get on the council to block the "big box" stores from coming in ? Maybe his business is not all that he had hoped it would be and he's nervous (scared shitless) that his months or years in business are numbered. This is nothing new to Eureka, other folks (like contractors) have used a position on the city council manipulate local issues to benefit their business opportunites. In the olden days Daly's and Bistrins used their influence to keep out the competition. Were you even around when Bistrins was here MRESQUAN ? I doubt it. You're probalby one of the losers moving to Humboldt in the past 10 years from whatever place and think you know what's best for the county cuz you're so smart and sophisticated ?
I also remember when Herseys chocolate wanted to put in a factor in Humboldt, that too was voted down (the progressives of a different era). some of the old local and the new local want to keep out the competition to maintain control, power, or influence. What harm could a chocolate factory do ? Jobs, use lots of milk, little or no pollution ?
For that matter what harm would a Best Buy, a Macy's, or a Home Depot do to Humboldt? Oh no we wouldn't want competition ?
So in other words MRESQUAN, bite me
12:08 wrote, "More people from everywhere should be butting in to Eureka's business.".
VOTE LOCAL CONTROL!
Fred-larry didnt even say he supported it..it said
Old Town business owner Larry Glass, who's running against Wolford in the November election, said the Business Improvement District ran a similar enterprise that worked well but was also expensive to run due to insurance and maintenance costs.
”It was a wonderful idea and it was wonderful while it was happening,” Glass said, offering to speak with Bittner about his experience with that service.
come on fred read your own article -gwen golden
Yes it is Eric, yes it is
A magic trolley taking Eureka into make-believe land. Awesome. Is Eureka and Arcata in a battle to the death for the title "We can fuck up our city more then you" Because it seems that way.
anon 12:23, FYI,I was in Humboldt then.I certainly remember that.
The horse and carriage ride was cool, but couldn't survive, would the trolley fare any better? If it is to come, should it be publicly owned and financed or privately owned, and have to make it or break it.
Fred, they only want local control when it suits them. the rules, and the fact that Eureka has a right to self determination doesn't mean anything.
While I AGREE that we all see Eureka as "ours" - it isn't.
Sadly, because many of us out here would love to have a Home Depot AND see something nice in that area, but we aren't moving to Eureka, or pretending to live in Eureka, so as to come in and get our way.
How many LocoSolutions candidates are carpetbaggers? How many actually OWN homes in Eureka? How many didn't just move in a few weeks before the filing deadline?
Way to go Fred for zapping it to 12:08. The Vote Local Control people only want it for themselves. They feel very free to stick their non-local noses into other peoples businesses.
And Eric - so because its fun justifies sticking your sohum nose into the affairs of Eurekan's. Thats nice to know - doesn't it throw the whole vote local control rhetoric out the window....or is it do what I say and not do as I do? The hypocracy is pretty self evident.
So 1:08,what is the Home Depot like in your area?How many jobs has it created,and how many more liberals have taken advantage of it,and moved into your area because of the reduced cost of building and furnishing a home?
mresquan - you miss the point. we drive to Ukiah, Crescent City and Redding to get the reduced costs of building and furnishing homes and even with the high gas costs and the hours on the road it is more affordable and we get a "choice" in what we need for our homes. Seems more environmentally friendly to build the damn thing here and quit wasting the gas and time. Don't shop there if you don't want to, but get your goddamn nose out of my choices. And if it is built here I expect to see the same "liberals" who have been seen at Costco, Target, Sears, Mervyns, Gottschalks, KMART etc, shopping there. Whats the list now - Neely, Meserve, Kaitlin Bellknap, little shane - I know I am missing a lot of them, but those are the names I remember.
mresquan - you miss the point. we drive to Ukiah, Crescent City and Redding to get the reduced costs of building and furnishing homes and even with the high gas costs and the hours on the road it is more affordable and we get a "choice" in what we need for our homes. Seems more environmentally friendly to build the damn thing here and quit wasting the gas and time. Don't shop there if you don't want to, but get your goddamn nose out of my choices. And if it is built here I expect to see the same "liberals" who have been seen at Costco, Target, Sears, Mervyns, Gottschalks, KMART etc, shopping there. Whats the list now - Neely, Meserve, Kaitlin Bellknap, little shane - I know I am missing a lot of them, but those are the names I remember.
Nick Bravo shops at Wal-Mart!!
Even with Home Depot, I will still shop at Pierson's because I like the koi pond, especially if they have stuff I can't get at Home Depot. I will also shop at Ace, Thomas, Schmidbauer, Coast to Coast and Forbusco.
Even with Pier 1, I will still shop at Plaza Design because they actually have MORE to choose from, and I like them both. Arcata Exchange is good, too.
Even with JoAnn's, I also shop and Hancock's and Fabric Temptations, and even on accoassion the littel quilt fabric shops.
I shop at Kmart for basics, Target for fun, all the shops on the Plaza in Arcata for fun, the shops in Henderson Center and Old Town for the quality and variety.
I shop at Mad River Gardens, Miller Farms, Pierson's, and the plant sections in Longs, Ace, Rite Aid, as well as plant sales put on by non-profits and at places like Bamboo and Maples and Singing Trees.
I shop at Rays and Safeway, Wildberries, the Co-op and Winco at different times and for different things.
I can go into Petco and still shop at Balanced Aquarium and Arcata Aquarium and Jabberwocky.
Sometimes I meet friends at Starbucks - all three locations, and still prefer Ramone's, Sacred Grounds, Hank's and HasBeans
It's not an either or. It's inclusive. It's a widening of choices, of selection, of atmosphere and personal relationships that make up the hunt for just the right thing.
Protectionism doesn't help anyone.
And we've always had big boxes, Sears, Penney's, Wards, PayLess, Pay'N Pak, Mervyn's Gottschalks, McMahans, its a very long long l-o-o-o-o-ng list.
What in the world is wrong with everyone?
Pull those burrs out of your butt, 1:10. Eric didn't support Measure T.
Yeah, but Eric does not know when to keep his mouth shut. Most of the time he has no idea what he is talking about.
12:08 HAVE YOU EVER HAD AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT ?
Sounds like you have a RS up you bum.
The trolly folly is Leonard's idea. He brought it up at his Balloon Track town hall meeting. Its a way to shuttle people between Home Depot and Old Town. He said that Arkley might help fund it.
Since he is bombing out on the skate park thing he needs a new project. Plus I'm sure his dad Don likes the ideaa.
"And Eric - so because its fun justifies sticking your sohum nose into the affairs of Eurekan's. Thats nice to know - doesn't it throw the whole vote local control rhetoric out the window....or is it do what I say and not do as I do? The hypocracy is pretty self evident.
Well, two things. I don't necessarily believe in exclusive local control. I did oppose Measure T for instance.
But more to the point, the "vote local control" crowd as you call them don't oppose outside comment. They oppose outside money being poured in to local campaigns. I won't be pouring lots of money into the Eureka City elections, belief me.
But, I do reserve my right to comment on them.
Nobody got mad when I commented on the Flouride measure. What's the difference?
Yeah, but Eric does not know when to keep his mouth shut. Most of the time he has no idea what he is talking about.
Are you the same grumphead who's been posting over on my blog? Why so grouchy?
Because you pull facts out of your a**!
Question is eric, would everyone be so CONCERNED about Eureka if it wasn't for the Arkley haters?
The Bayshore Mall got built, Target went in where Wards had been, Costco went in, the Adorni Center went in, and there wasn't all this hue and cry.
We all have a right to comment.
But to move into Eureka so you can run for office in order to stop a competitor from MAYBE opening a store in the town is wrong.
People with political agendas pushing their candidates to leave thier homes and move in so as to stack the city Council with their sympathizers is something only the truly left can condone.
Just stopped in for a read.
what an intelligent conversation. I shall have to visit more often.
I can only imagine how wonderful it would be to spend some time with these people in person!
I take it this is what they mean by the word "community"?
Yeah, because your comment is soooooooo intelligent and interesting! Not!
Yesterday, I shopped at Bayshore Mall; Mervyn's, the Gap, Children's Place, Gottschalks and Sears for back to school stuff.
Today I went to Bubbles, Arcata Exchange, Garden Gate, Plaza Design and Hensel's.
Didn't have alot of time, so it was a quick run through.
You can have it both ways.
I still say that if Rob Arkley was not involvled and another developer proposed a giant ass Whole Earth Foods with a row of youth hostels, a Hemp Traders outlet store and Ben & Jerry's ice cream plant next door, we would have no issues. Or would we? I will tell you, the red Target bullseye sign can be seen from as far away as the Arcata South G Street on ramp. Ah yes, the glowing torch of capitalism. I say, bulldoze it and put up a seven day a week local farmers/crafters market. Oh yeah, it rains in Eureka. Damn.
You ask why would Eric Kirk chime in on Eureka politics?Because the ballon tract development IS A COUNTY ISSUE.The idea behind Home Depot coming in here added to the counties supposed ineffecient housing crisis has developers like Kurt Kramer and Dan Johnson foaming in ecstacy.Their agenda is simple,build more homes here.More homes being built here means more liberals moving to the area,since they are certainly indiscriminate lenders or sellers to liberals moving up from the bay area who can pay cash for a home,whereas someone who grew up isn't as likely to have that option.You're damn right that lefties will shop at these stores,they have no choice,thanks to conservative wealthy developers who move these stores in.It's a catch 22 sort of.Why aren't lefties going nuts about what's happening in Fortuna?Because when Fortuna goes full boar big box building a home in Fortuna may very well be less expensive.Less expensive for someone from the bay area to come here and pay cash.Conservatives in Fortuna will lose the control they now have.As more liberals move into the county,conservatives lose more of their say.Maybe Eric doesn't want that to happen.He opposed measure T which was written and proposed by people who just moved into the area and bought homes.Actually I believe David Cobb still was still in Texas when his sale went through.More development=more lefties.
If that's true, why do the "lefties" oppose it? They should be happy for the proliferation of their kind in Humboldt.
Mresquan - loser - it is not a county issue it is a city issue. You can't spin it buddy. That is why only people who live in eureka get to vote in eureka - plain and simple. If you want to effect what goes on in Eureka, them move your butt here, if not the butt out
Home Depot will, sadly, not lower the price of a house mresquan.
And CONTRACTORS will probably not be shopping there all that much, judging by the fact that they do not shop at Pierson's or Thomaas, by and large.
But HOMEOWNERS, DIYers will have more choices, and maybe lower prices - MAYBE.
What incredible imaginings manifest in attempts to force others to bend to YOUR view of the world, to conform to your idea of what normal should be.
Let the market decide.
yeah mresquan-markkonkler was around to remember all that-when he was what, 6 or 7 years old?
"But more to the point, the "vote local control" crowd as you call them don't oppose outside comment. They oppose outside money being poured in to local campaigns. "
WRONG. Sorry Eric V. Kirk. The record shows they only oppose outside money in ONE case.
"They" are MORE than happy to take outside money when it offered to them, in fact, they go out of their way to SOLICIT it. There are a variety of methods emplyed. One of them is viral email, a preferred technique
Look at Richard Salzman and Paul Cienfuegos soliciting money for Paul Gallegos from their "friends across the nation."
"In solidarity"
"SALZMAN SOLICITING MONEY"
Salzman and Cienfuegos:
MAY 2, 2003
LONG before the Recall ever qualified for the ballot.
"The reason that I'm writing to all of you is that we urgently need your help here to defend our new D.A. from the recall campaign while simultaneously supporting his bold move to sue Maxxam for fraud.
Below, you will find a brief note from Richard Salzman who is coordinating the local campaign to support the D.A. and his historic lawsuit. Justice will not be served in this county unless we can raise substantial amounts of money to at least try to match what the corporation's supporters are already raising in their already vicious media campaign against Gallegos. Thus I am asking you to consider making a generous donation toward this cause."
"Please respond not to me, but to Richard Salzman."
"In order to buy the air time to run the whole series, we will need to raise some $30,000 (what their campaign had already raised by the time they served Paul the notice of recall) over the next few weeks/months. In addition to financial support we are asking voters around the country to write to their representatives as well as to ours, urging their support of our beleaguered DA."
Read the full text at http://www.ratical.org/corporations/PaulGallegos.html
(this link is still good as of 8/16/06)
Dear friends across the United States, from the people of Humboldt County struggling against Maxxam Corporation
Local CON-trol!
Oh please Rose...
Yep.
" Question is eric, would everyone be so CONCERNED about Eureka if it wasn't for the Arkley haters?
The Bayshore Mall got built, Target went in where Wards had been, Costco went in, the Adorni Center went in, and there wasn't all this hue and cry."
Well, actually it was before my time, but I've spoken to a number of people who opposed the Bayshore Mall project for a number of reasons. They just didn't have enough voters in their camp to fight it. But the county's changed considerably since then.
Costco seems to be an exception to the progressives' resistance to big boxes, not just because they donate "blue," but also because they've invested extensively in inner cities. Their store in San Francisco was the first big box of any sort in an inner city community. And they chose a spot neither by the water nor in a residential area. And they don't deliberately undersell their competition with temporary profit losses with the specific design of putting the competion out of business. Personally, I'm skeptical that WalMart does that either, but it's the allegation.
Lastly, I may move to Eureka someday. It depends on whether the schools down here rebound. Right now they're in pretty sad shape and we can't get parcel taxes passed to help them out.
" If that's true, why do the "lefties" oppose it? They should be happy for the proliferation of their kind in Humboldt."
I do see the increase in progressive voters as a plus, but the price is too high, namely the death of the character of the place I moved to. Basically, I want to have mine and then shut the gates behind me. Call me selfish.
On a serious note, I was raised on the coast of San Mateo County, first in Montara, then later Pacifica. I saw the gentrification happening when I was a kid, and now I don't even recognize the place. Yes, it's more liberal. But the working class character is gone. The HMB feed store is a boutique. The restaraunts all sell California cuisine type fare. Luckily, the Alcapoco Cafe at Rockaway Beach in Pacifica still sells the best chalupas on the planet!
But I'd much rather a semi-rural community with political balance and character than complete liberal political control watching it become another Daly City.
anon 4:55,I was asked if I remember that crap, not how old I was.What's your point anyway,anonymous-anonymous.And why post as anonymous,what do you have to hide?
Responding to Eric Kirk's 7:06 comment: Big Box=loss of working class jobs.What machine shops or manufacturers locally have made money off of the stores in the mall,Costco,or Target,or any other big boxes which have come through here,and then died?The trucking companies located here,and the property owners where the stores sit,that's about it.
mresquan - It depends on the situation. If there's no business in the inner cities to begin with, there's no loss of jobs obviously. How it played out here I have no idea.
yea right esquan, i saw these high moral values from your buddies in democracy unlimited in action when you teared allen down and trashed the green party.
Eric,big boxes never BRING jobs to cities.That's what the pro-Home Depot,pro-big box crowd is trying to sell.Some people who sat by while the mall,Costco,Woolworths,Staples,etc.came in here,now see that,so they're opposed to more coming in.Add to my 9:51 list of those who profit,temp agencies who make money off of low wage employment.They only thing that they at best ensure is stagnancy in local economies.
Mr. Mresquan
And what do you suggest ? No new business (corporations) unless every employee can be assured a management job with a salary of at least $100 K a year job with medical, dental, on site child care, and a 20 year retirement ?
What kind of business would satisfy your point of view?
And Humboldt County will not become another Daly City, not in your lifetime or your childrens.
It would be nice for our community to be known for something other than marijuana and hippies.
Anon 10:55,I would certainly hope that you don't think that big boxes are the only answer to bringing jobs here.For starters how about keeping our pulp produced here,here,and trees that are cut here,here.Turn that stuff into something to be used here.Not sending them overseas and leaving us with nothing but the opportunity to bring in those same biproducts from elsewhere,again primarily only benefiting only the trucking and oil industries.Meaning Tony Gosselin and Renner as local companies to make a profit.Nothing against those companies,but we need more industries to profit in order for us to be more succesful.
Ok, keep the pulp here? And do what with it ? A pulp mill would cause polution, piss of the Green's, the progressives, Chris Kerrigan. A pulp mill would mean a CORPORATION ! (lions and tigers and bears).
The big boxes aren't the only answer but, with the competition and the lower prices your money would go a bit further.
You ever think that the "hi tech" industry that you guys want (high pay, no pollution, no republicans) may not consider Humboldt County due to the lack of the Box type stores?
And why is there a lack of housing ? Answer that.
And it seems like many houses and apartments are used to grow marijuana, at least that's what can be inferred from the times standard artcle of two or three weeks ago.
Humboldt County will have to entice business' to relocate here. So far they just chase them away, would you move your business to a county with limited shopping and the city council of one city trying to impeach the president.
Prospective business owners would only have to spend 30 minutes on google to figure out Humboldt County was not the place to be, unless to manufacture bongs and meth pipes.
11:57- Making Pulp as we do now here in Humboldt County is a environmentally invasive process. Why not do the clean process here. To turn that pulp into paper products such as toilet paper, napkins, paper cups, paper plates, boxes, paper bags, sanitary products, food filler.......is a enviromentally benign process. Our pulp is in a concentrated form. Just add water and put in forms and dry it. We have plenty of water. Right now our pulp, which is a raw resource made locally, is sent to China and Korea to be processed. Just an informational tidbit.
everyone has ideas about the woulda coulda shoulda, and it's never what IS already here. Nothing we have is good enough, everything we have is bad, even evil, and needs to be "fixed" to fit some armchair quarterback's idea of what ought to be.
That kind of stuff is fine for coffeeshop discussions and blogging, but you have to hope that those who actually have the power to oversee and regulate and manage have a clearer view of what is real.
That's the danger of electing people like Glass. The woulda coulda shoulda crowd.
Well that's really great 8:10 but, first you have to attract a BIG corporation with the money and desire. That Corporation would have to fight with the board of sup's, the city council, loco solutions (and whatever BS front group they come up with next), misc. progressives, greens, shitheads, and of course Eric Kirk and his following.
What Corp would want to fight all that, instead they'll go to some community that appreciates them. Humboldt County has gone into the toilet. Face it you freaks chase off business and progress ( and these monkeys call themselves "Progressives").
mresquan 4:12 – do you have the first concept of economics? The more housing built (supply) in Eureka will help LOWER prices.
So what if a developer makes a profit? Why don’t you go buy a parcel of land, pay for architects, plans, permits, politics, deal with a bank for your construction loan, and take the personal financial risks that the real estate market holds up and doesn’t turn south. Then I’ll support you and your housing project.
Home sellers and local Realtors don’t care whether you’re liberal and conservative. They care whether the buyer can qualify for a home loan and close the transaction in a timely manner.
This post from Fred was supposed to be about a proposal to build a trolley between Target in the north part of Eureka, through Old Town, all the way down to the Marina Center.
Larry Glass pointed out during the Eureka City Council meeting that the last trolley Eureka had ultimately went out of business because of high insurance and maintenance costs. Why would that be any different this time?
My basic problem with most liberal ideas is simple. Who’s gonna pay for it? As long as it’s not my tax dollars, I’ll support it. If this trolley proposal is self-sufficient, than it’s got my support. If the Eureka general fund requires tax dollars to run the trolley…
“It is better to be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
Is Larry Glass a Green or a Dem?
Dem machine candidate all the way, he bullied a more progressive candidate into dropping out. What a hero for Loco Solutions.
9:11-There are all sorts of pulp converting companies with plenty of long term history and very mobile. Pactiv, Boise Cascade, Kimberly Clark, Dopaco, Pac Paper, International to name a few that I have personally been involved with. We need good will ambassador type politicians to solicit these people and work with the pulp mill to help bring good paying jobs! And the peninsula is already zoned industrial. Better to ship our pulp as a finished product than shipping it overseas to have other workers do that process.
Michael Twombly registered as a Republican.
Bob Ornelas switched from Green to Democrat.
Shane Brinton was supposedly a Communist, but switched to Democrat.
Is Glass Green, Democrat, Republican, Non-Partisan, or Libertarian?
8:10am makes a lot of sense. But so do the follow ups. Yes, we need viable industry jobs that are non polluting and so on, but the current political climate in Humboldt and the State of California are pushing big companies to other states. As long as Baykeeper and CATS and EPIC are pushing to keep industry out, good luck. I believe they truly want to protect their idea of Utopia and keep Humboldt a playground for their alternate living lifestyle. If you really think you can create a "new economy" based on hemp products and environmental activism training you are sadly mistaken. If we have groups like Peter Lehman from Schatz Lab and perhaps the group at Sun Frost and Wing Inflatables really putting forth new ideas of manufacturing, then let's do it.
But, would you be willing to use our precious ecobay as a place to distribute from. But, more than likely, the larger you get the more you will go the way of Yakima.
We're going to have to bring in some kind of large industry to survive. The Port of Oakland idea seems like our best bet. If you want the bay to be a tourist playground, with kayak rentals and birding and educational study...then you had better get on the stick and do something about it. And are those jobs going to be living wage jobs with benefits or are they going to be HSU part time jobs student jobs.
9:11....That said, who is going to be the better candidate in the 4th District to implement your ideas of a paper products industry. With Bonnie Neely entrenched with the left and progressives and more interested in keeping her supervisoral position by getting the new era votes, the answer is Nancy Flemming. Flemming will be more apt to inspire that dialogue with a paper products industry than protecting the bay from industry as Neely would. Look to the future of working class jobs and the answer in not Bonnie Neely. Seriously, think about it. Richard Marks would have been that political leader, but because of politics, we need someone who will best use his ideals for the betterment of our community.
Thanks Richard
Yeah, like there are a lot of industry left in the US and they are dying to move to Humboldt.
Container shipping will never happen. Infrastructure costs (including the RR) are just too high.
We can just be a retirement community. Nice and peaceful.
You might think retireees are going to need big boxes for the lower cost of things, mostly being on fixed income and all.
Except those of us who sold out houses in the Bay Area and LA for really big bucks, moved here for less and have a great nest egg left over.
Even after the tax penalty we can afford to buy at expensive local boutiques and restaurants, as we rub shoulders with the tourists who view us as quaint.
1:25, thanks so much for thinking of us locals (yes, the people born and raised here) who are not of retirement age.
It's that kind of "me" attitude that makes us want to send you packing back to LA.
1:56, we are one. I was being sarcastic. I don't think we can send 'rm back to LA, and I don't think we can reason with them.
But Nancy sounds like Minnie Mouse
anon 3:08 "Question is eric, would everyone be so CONCERNED about Eureka if it wasn't for the Arkley haters?
The Bayshore Mall got built, Target went in where Wards had been, Costco went in, the Adorni Center went in, and there wasn't all this hue and cry."
did you not live here when bayshore mall was put in? IT Ruined Downtown eureka...put dalys out of bussiness and now eurekas downtown and oldtown is finally growing back strong,and we want to put another mall type place in?It will help eka HOW? -Gwen Golden
nancy only sounds like minnie mouse becasue she has gotten too many face lifts
glass is a dem who pushed a green out of the race.
Is Glass Really a Dem? or is he just trying to get votes?
What's the proof that Larry pushed anyone out of the race?
the real question is: is glass really a eureka resident? how many days ago did he move here? less than 30?
and salzman knows damn well about pushing people out of races. just keep it up buddy and the whole world will know too.
2:58 wrote, "did you not live here when bayshore mall was put in? IT Ruined Downtown eureka...put dalys out of bussiness and now eurekas downtown and oldtown is finally growing back strong...:
Nope, that's not what happened. The Old Town area was already dying. I was here. I know. It was dying long before the Bayshore Mall. Now, despite the Bayshore Mall's presence, Old Town seems to be in revival.
But it's not because of Old Town itself, it's because of rich folks throwing money at it and what little the Eureka Redevelpment Agency does.
My own opinion is that Old Town will continue to be the "blighted area", that it is. Every town has a Red Light district. Old Town is one. Anyone moving in there and complaining about conditions, is just like people moving in next to an airport and complaining about the noise.
You can put carpeting and paint on a building, but it will still be an empty building when no one wants to occupy it.
I was here, too, and we were thrilled to get the Mall.
I knew some of the downtown merchants who faced the choice of going into the mall, or, in their minds, the other alternative, shut down.
Could they have made it if they stuck it out? hard to say. Clothes stores, really were the only ones the Mall competed with.
We already had Sears in the Eureka Mall, they moved. Penney's moved, too as I recall.
Gottschalks was direct competition for Daly's and I think they were even part of the same buying group, but would Daly's have survived outside the mall? I don't think so. they were an old-style Department Store and those were fading along hte way with or without the Mall throughout the state.
Kokopilau chose to go into the mall, and ultimately relocated to Old Town, so they adapted and survived, maybe even thrived by the looks of it. Larry Glass should take a lesson.
The boutique clothing stores have been hurt, not so much by the Mall as by the cheap clothes. Hard to pay $100= for a sweater when you can get virtually the same thing for $20 or $30.
So you can argue the effects of cheap imports on local businesses, but the fact is, if people didn't want the Mall and the stores in it, it wouldn't survive.
Let the market decide. Don't fear competition.
Maria was threatened with destruction if she stayed in the race
I would like to know more, 8:26
Is it about this?
and salzman knows damn well about pushing people out of races. just keep it up buddy and the whole world will know too.
3:41 PM
Glass , is stupid . He wants another investigation into the Police shooting of Cherie Moore . Does he support criminals over the Police ? Let's hope this dop goes down with the sun . My vote is for , Jerry Droz . Now there's a man who is doing something for all of us .
Carpetbagging Glass or Mary Beth Wolford? Vote Eurekan.
Glass is not a suitable person to represent the city of Eureka.
Glass must be Green. I don't remember hearing him associated with the Democrats, til recently. Maybe he's non-partisan.
12:26 PM
"We're going to have to bring in some kind of large industry to survive. The Port of Oakland idea seems like our best bet."
Do you really think we have to have a large industry to survive? And what is it about the "Port of Oakland idea" that sounds feasable?
glass is a locosolutions democrat all the way, just look at him putting illprepared and undereducated duhcs up at his balloon track forums.
Uh, illprepared and undereducated? You must mean Brian Morrisey.
you're back, i see.
Well, really. Isn't he?
been out of town, or just laying low?
It'll be worth attending the hcdcc/lc meetings just to see Phyllis give Larry a lecture on the importance of attending hcdcc/lc meetings. In recent history I wonder how many he attended. How many City Council meetings for that matter.
What a circus.
Circus? I like that. Arkley the ringmaster, council members jumping through hoops, Flemming in tights...aaagh, never mind.
Anybody know when , GLASS took a bath last ?
Oh and by the way........DROZ is the only one who makes any sense . I think we are all tired of all the crime in , Eureka . My neighbor had their house broken into twice this year .
Opps , sorry keep forgetting.................LaValle is trying to turn the "BEST WESTERN" motel into ( yeah , that's right ) another drug rehab . facility . What a dope .
Well when is the last time Glass took a shower ? About the time of his last haircut?
Excuse me? Fred, why let people post such crap?
Well, some things I let go. Some things I don't. In this case, I figure the comments speak for themselves.
The commentor is obviously working his hardest to come up with criticisms of Glass and this seems to be the best he can do. Speaks volumes in and of itself, seems to me.
it sad that the worst insult that people can come up with against larry is about his physical appearance
Larry wll blow the pants of Wolford in the debate.
As long as he isn't stoned, maybe.
Just be sure he takes a bath . Wolford has had 4 years and she's done nothing but , wreck our City . Her promises ? B.S.
No i can come up with more than his appearance . This slob wants another investigation into the Cherie Moore killing . WHAT A DUMBASS.
you got it . Everyone but , Jerry Droz is a disaster . The council stinks and always had . The Mayor , what a joke .
glass has gotten tangled in with salzman and that is salzman's influence speaking. poor dumb bastard.
The real Old Town Folley is Wolford. Oops.. that was suposed to be trolley. Maybe tranny is more correct.
And what, pray tell, is her crime 11:18?
She drank the Arkley coolaid. Poor dumb bitch.
What is her crime , you say . It's called lying . She claims she is gonna do this and that . 4 years later and nothing has changed . Same old Bull Crap . Lies . Lies > Lies .
You know something about that topic, I'm sure.
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