Tuesday, May 22, 2007

Shut Them Up!

It was nice to see some praise for Congressman, and Republican Presidential hopeful, Ron Paul, in today's Eureka Reporter. I have no idea who the guy is that wrote this guest opinion.

Paul's breaking with the rest of the pack on Iraq and 9/11 has raised some eyebrows from all sides of the aisle. At least one on the Left as called Paul "my new hero". Some in the GOP want him excluded from future candidate debates. Michigan's GOP Chair, Saul Anuzis being one calling for exclusion.

Would that be condsidered censorship? I don't know. If not, it probably comes close.
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As I've mentioned here not long ago, we've seen our own calls for exclusion from public debate, mostly in letters to the editor. Unlike the Ron Paul affair, the letters I've noticed criticizing the papers for printing non- politically correct letters seem to come mostly from the Left.

I believe I commented on one sent in by our very own Robash which suggested the paper shouldn't be publishing letters from a particular person. For the life of me I can't remember the subject Robash wrote on, though.

Then, there was a letter on May 2 in the Times- Standard. I couldn't find the original letter online but a letter in response is here.

In the first letter a writer criticized the paper for including hurricane expert, William Gray, in an article dealing with supposed global warming. The problem: Gray felt the oceans are more responsible for global temperatures than man is. What got me is that was one of the more even handed news articles I'd read on the issue.

But that's not politically correct. Don't listen to Gray and don't publish him. He's a nut case.

Such efforts to suppress the open and free exchange ideas should be of concern to those on all sides of the aisle.
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But all doesn't appear to be lost, at least here on the North Coast.

I've read time and time again about various schools, both lower and upper level educational institutions around the country, quashing written opinion because it's not poltically correct. They often do it by calling such non- pc opinion Hate Speech.

Not so at Arcata High School, of all places. Sure, some are protesting the publishing of a letter in the school newspaper calling homosexual behaviour, among other things, an immoral lifestyle. But school staff are defending their publishing of the letter.

Good for them. Then again, I suppose the fact that such a letter raised enough controversy to be considered newsworthy isn't probably all that good of a thing.

Robert Atkinson, pastor of a church in Fortuna was quoted in the article as saying, "
If saying no to any behavior is hate speech, then I think we're really in trouble.".

I couldn't agree more.



50 Comments:

At 8:48 AM, Blogger Rose said...

I'm with you, Fred.

 
At 8:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's interesting how the group of people who "support" free speech the most - i.e. progressives and liberals - are the first ones to leave gutted ones who have a different opinion from the accepted group think. Lemmings of the world unite.

 
At 10:03 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

I myself was utterly shocked when I discovered just how virulent so called progressives, greens, and liberals become when disagreed with.

Conversely when I speak to conservatives, libertarians, and republicans they are respectful of differing opinions and are willing to have a reaoned debate on the subject.

 
At 10:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nick, that reaction isn't specific to progressives, greens, and liberals. You get that reaction from everyone.

 
At 10:16 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

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At 10:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OH, lay off of Nick. His comments have been perfectly reasonable and he should be welcomed into the discussion.
IMHO

 
At 10:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What Nick does as a hobby is like calling for the rape of Charles Douglas is not germaine to the subject at hand, especially if his comments are reasonable and well put.

 
At 10:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The term hate speech is one of the left's most brilliant creations in surpressing their opponents opinions.

 
At 11:09 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

God! Shut up about chuckie.

Anon 10:58. I completely agree with you on this. Also, one thing I've noticed (especially in arcata) is that when someone says something the left doesn't lke and they ignore the lefts demands that they shut up they are immediately besieged by the most vitriolic hatred imaginable.

 
At 11:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would be the last person to defend Nick Bravo, but as long as he adds a reasonable voice to the discussion, I have no problem with him participating.

I too can second the comment that "progressives and liberals" are much more violent to those that don't stick with the party line then "conservatives".

 
At 11:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

An example of the left's methodology is the increasingly popular question "No reasonably intelligent person thinks we can possibly win in Iraq now, do they?" It's a cheap but effective way to silence opponents.

 
At 11:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was wondering where Bravo and his minions would end up after the demise of Buhne...... Free speech is threatened much more by religious zealots trying to impose their dogma on others than right wingers not treated politely in conversation with lefties. After watching O’Reily on fox news I tend to think that is myth also. If you think that junk science and religious psychobabble is reasoned debate then you deserve the reactions you get from people who don't want to have their time wasted in conversation with you.

 
At 11:38 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

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At 11:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 12:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Intolerant people come in all political guises. We're all entitled to have an opinion, we AREN'T entitled to have our own facts.

Creation scientists, holocaust denyers, Joe McCarthyites and racial purity promoters all protray their opinions as legitimate but in fact they're nonsense based in ideology not fact.

So are the "opinions" that simply call people lefties, liberals, or commies, to silence them rather than address the factual or non factual basis of their statements. That may have worked for tail gunner Joe, but it won't anymore.

Sorry to inform you that the 21st century has come to Humboldt, despite your efforts to keep it a reactionary redneck preserve.

 
At 12:48 PM, Blogger robash141 said...

Fred you are incorrect.
The piece that i objected to was not a letter but a Eureka Reporter sydicated column by the odious Michelle Malkin
in the wake of the recent Virginia Tech massacre. In her zeal to attack the public education system as well as shill for the exremist gun lobby , Ms Malkin characterized the victims as a bunch of docile wimps ripe for slaughter.
She stopped just short of saying the victims deserved their fate.

This was, mind you, very shortly after the tragedy. Malkin basically spit on the Va Tech victims graves before they were even interred within them.
Left, right or indifferant that kind of talk is IMHO, beyond the pale.
It's true I did request that the Eureka reporter reassess thier business relationship with Ms Malkin.
I don't think it would be good for thier business interests to be associated with this kind of putrid rhetoric.


I don't really believe that qualifies me to be your personal poster boy for Stalinesque left-wing repression.

 
At 12:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...come mostly from the left"...?
WHAT are you reading? And since when are libs-progs-Dems so all-fired powerful, that you are so frightened when they act like everyone else?

Do you remember the early hate-mails that flooded our in-boxes in the 90's
that were disgusting in their comments towards not only Bill and Hillary, but Chelsea as well?

Oh yeah, cons and Repubs. never
use name-calling, subversion, misdirection, or outright LIES to
further their point!...nope...nosirree....
never happens!.......

 
At 1:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All right 12:53, give 'em Hell! Since they're basically ignorant religious fundamentalists, its the only thing they understand not to mess with.

 
At 1:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So is Nick a liberal or a conservative? He rails against all things progressive, while also assailing Arcata's failure to bend to every homeless activist's demand. Where exactly do you stand Nick?

 
At 1:41 PM, Blogger robash141 said...

Well as the old saying goes love is blind...

Perhaps Fred is so enamored with the "I've got mine screw everyone else" economic philosophies that the righties espouse, that he failed to notice the proliferation of truly repressive types within their ranks.

 
At 2:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HHEEYYYYY YYOOOOOUUUUUU GUUUUYYYYYSSSSS!!!!!

 
At 3:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks AnonyNick! We sure will!

 
At 3:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy shit that was FUNNY!!

 
At 3:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, when Fred gets here there's gonna be a major comment massacre!

 
At 3:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Police arrested a man today who brought a bomb to Jerry Falwell's funeral. Talk about the hate filled left! Jeeeez!

 
At 3:26 PM, Blogger Fred said...

"when Fred gets here there's gonna be a major comment massacre!".

Yep.

 
At 3:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How does Nick Bravo end up dominating every blog? I don't get it. Can't we just ignore all the drama he provokes.

 
At 3:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they stole it from the Pro-Life stockpiles.

 
At 3:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should've left the gutted shells of the deleted comments up, Fred. Now the thread reads funny, with comments seeming to reply to the ones that are left, when they were actually in reply to the ones that completely vanished.

 
At 3:38 PM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

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At 3:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How does Nick Bravo end up dominating every blog? I don't get it. Can't we just ignore all the drama he provokes.

He won't let you ignore him. He posts anonymous comments about himself, even in reply to himself.

 
At 3:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think a page looks cool with a bunch of deleted comments.

 
At 4:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah it's like a bunch of dead bodies lying all over the field. What Fred did was bury all the bodies so nobody would even know there was a massacre if someone hadn't mentioned it.

 
At 5:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, cool, so Fred is OK with turning his blog into the Buhne-Tribune-in-Exile comment zone. Have fun Nick and Crew.

 
At 7:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny how Fred says he means to remove that link to Nick Bravo's pro-rape blog, then leaves Bravo's various insults here and deletes only those responses that demonstrate Bravo's violent, stalking tendencies against local political and media figures, including the young Mayor in Arcata.

 
At 8:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Freds blog is no Buhne Tribune.

 
At 11:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, but Fred's user comments are totally Buhne Tribune.

 
At 2:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. I thought Nick was leaving the area? WHEN?

2." Police arrested a man today who brought a bomb to Jerry Falwell's funeral. Talk about the hate filled left! Jeeeez!

3:23 PM

Maybe this was sarcasm- maybe not.
IF you can actually read- you would find out it was one of Falwells followers- intending to kill the
'lefties' who might protest.
mmmk?

 
At 4:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

It's funny how Fred says he means to remove that link to Nick Bravo's pro-rape blog, then leaves Bravo's various insults here and deletes only those responses that demonstrate Bravo's violent, stalking tendencies against local political and media figures, including the young Mayor in Arcata.

7:35 PM


When did Fred start acting consistently? He gets off on controversy besides.

 
At 9:37 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

No, he said my blog was dead and that's why he'd remove it.

My blog is very much alive! To quote an ancestor....

"It's alive! It's ALIVE! It's ALIIIIVVVE!! Bwhahahahahaaaaaa!"

 
At 11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 11:11 AM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

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At 5:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Con. Ron Paul is a true American. I've heard you several times on Alex Jones' radio program when I was living in Austin, TX. Check infowars.com for more on Con. Paul.

 
At 6:08 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

After watching the dems screw the public over the past few days,I've pretty much decided that Ron Paul is the best candidate on the field so far.He'll get my vote if Cynthia Mckinney doesn't give it a go.

 
At 6:10 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

Oh,I should add that I've known Jake for years,but don't see him around much.He's a good guy,and I'm glad he wrote the piece.

 
At 11:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 1:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 11:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You whiny right-wing Republicans make me want to throw up! I hope Ron Paul wins the nomination to put you Jerry Falwell loving freaks in your place.

 

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