Monday, January 02, 2017

Thank You, Russia

When I first saw the title to this article, linked to by, I thought it might be someone writing, as I did earlier on, that we should thank the Russians for getting involved in Syria thus taking the weight of the fight off U.S. shoulders. Nope, he was dealing with accusations of Russian hacking, and thus interfering with, our elections. He makes a good point that if the Russians did anything in that regard, we should be thankful:

"If the state-sponsored Russian hackers did something truly malignant, like messing with election results, then yes — that’d be a severe breach and warrant substantial retaliation. But as it stands, the sinister Russians are accused of illuminating American voters as to the activities of the country’s most powerful political actors. The revelations made via WikiLeaks shined a light on all manner of fraud, deceit, and malfeasance. Would it have been better had voters not received access to this information? Who did it harm, other than a small group of political functionaries like Podesta and Wasserman-Schultz? Didn’t the American polity actually profit as a result of these hacks, given that they were provided important information about a presidential candidate that would have been otherwise suppressed?"

Yep. They gave us transparency the candidates would rather have hid. What's wrong with that?

He also points out there would likely be little fuss made if Trump was the target of those leaks:

 "Would people be wailing just as vigorously if Trump’s operatives had their emails hacked and published, or would that be lauded as a worthy dissemination of material in the public interest? I think U.S. Democracy can survive the successful phishing of John Podesta’s gmail account."

I agree. We probably wouldn't have seen anywhere near as much indignation if Trump had been targeted. As it is, we found out stuff about Clinton she wanted kept mum. I'll go out on a limb and say that's a good thing and the Russians probably deserve our thanks. 

Addendum: L. Neil Smith gives his take on the supposed hacking. He's not buying the government version:

 "What is more than possible is that somebody gained information from inside the Democratic National Committee or the Hillary Clinton campaign, and released it, providing the American public with information that persuaded them to change their vote. Whoever did that (always assuming that it was actually done) did nothing that the average news reporter doesn’t theoretically want to do, and he deserves a Presidential Medal of Freedom, not prosecution for having done it."


At 11:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Send your thanks to Trump, Putin and the Congressional Republicans when your Obamacare insurance is cancelled.

At 11:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL Call it Billy Tauzin-care since he wrote it. And it's overpriced and not worth the "individual mandate"

Remember when Obummer pretended he was a single payer advocate? Before he flip-flopped?

At 11:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I probably wouldn't have cared too much if the Russians and Wikileaks exposed what they got from hacking the Republican Party servers. I would have liked to see the "all manners of fraud, deceit, and malfeasance" exposed that we know the Republicans also engage in. Basically, the Russians supplied selected important information, some of which was likely fabricated, or at the very least embellished for greater impact.

Regarding the single payer flip-flop. Obama was totally for single payer, which basically would have built upon the Medicare system. Why reinvent the system when the infrastructure was already in place? However, in the interest of placating the Republicans, he caved to their demand that their insurance company buddies get a piece of the action, hence the company-based payment system we currently have. The Republicans are now bitching about how the system they wanted and got is all screwed up.

At 12:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excuse number 387 on why the LibTard Snowflake Party failed to win. Why pick the most evil, corrupt politician of all? If the GOP had produced Bush things would be much different. I, for one, would have failed to cast my vote for either. My utter contempt for the Clinton Death Cult resulted in a vote for Trump. It had nothing to do with Russia.

Notice that they don't deny the FACTS, only HOW they came to light.

Anyone seriously considering Russian hacking as credible watches too much "boob tube" and has failed to do any critical thinking IMHO.

I am hoping the Bush/Clinton?obama curse is in the rear view mirror.

At 12:41 PM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

"Notice that they don't deny the FACTS, only HOW they came to light."

That point was made elsewhere even before the Russia thing, after things started leaking. All the outrage was about things being leaded, not about the content of the leaks.

Maybe it has something to do with leaks not seeming "polite"?

At 12:43 PM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

"about things being leaded"

Being leaKed, I'm sure most realized.

At 12:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am outraged at the act of hacking in the election, not necessarily at the outcome. Russia has been gauging our willingness to respond to provocation both militarily and otherwise for many years. Their takeover by military force in two seperate countries (Georgia, Ukraine),Bombing of civilian targets in Syria, and that Russia is an authoritarian dictatorship that has no free speech, press, or religion should worry you. The fact that they have actively sought to undermine our form of government and democracy around the world should be troubling, although I will agree the content released was damning and a sad commentary on the Democratic party and how it is run. The sad truth of it is we are so divided in our country that Russia sees us as weak enough to mess with without fear of reprisal. United we stand, divided we will fall as many great state based empires have before us.

At 12:57 PM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

The biggest threat to freedom in this country is, and always has been, the American people. We didn't get to the point where we have government involved in every aspect of our lives through the actions of a foreign government. That is entirely a home grown phenomena.

At 4:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what will happen to Fred and his wife's insurance when the insurance industry is turned upside down in the next year

Are you still visiting UCSF Fred? Are you on Obamacare, or the California version?


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