Tuesday, January 31, 2006

215 Card Fees Raised

The Eureka Reporter reports the fee medical marijuana patients pay for their identification cards has nearly doubled over the last year. It now costs around $75 to get your get out of jail free card. This supposedly due to increasing administrative and maintenance costs.

This is precisely the reason a number of Libertarians opposed Prop 215 in the first place: Why should people, especially those who are critically ill, have to deal with a bunch of bureaucratic BS just to make themselves feel better? They were certainly correct in that sense and it will likely only get worse.

Myself? I agreed with their reasoning but felt that might well be throwing the baby out with the bath water; like being against tax cuts because you insist on abolition of the income tax. I think marijuana certainly needs to be decriminalized, not legalized. Once legalized it will just end up like a cash cow for government and bureaucrats and that won't be good for anyone involved except government and bureaucrats. We need to just take laws against possession and cultivation off the books and leave it at that. That might not happen, though, at least not any time soon.


At 9:58 AM, Blogger noel adamson said...

Legalizing pot, homelessness (AKA trespassing)and other victimless crimes would be very dangerous... to law enforcement. Though currently one of the safest jobs with a mortality rate lower than bus drivers they would have nothing left to do but pursue actual criminals in order to justify their existance. I think the quality of law enforcement would be impacted, that only sincere, honest and brave people interested in keeping our communities safe would then be applying for work on our police forces! Many bureaucrats would become unemployed, underground distribution systems for pot would become obsolete and those making money in them possibly compelled to make money in taxable ways and we might begin to have difficulty maintaining our status as having the highest rate of incarceration on earth, one of the very few categories in which we still maintain a number one status on earth. Pure chaos! Better we should make brocolli illegal.

At 11:33 AM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Here's a list of the ten most dangerous jobs in Oregon based on the percentage of on the job injuries.

1. Building motor vehicles
2. Sawmill
3. Building manufactured homes
4. Foundry work
5. Police officer or deputy
6. Building trailers
7. Plumbers & HVAC installation
8. Home centers
9. Bike messenger
10. Logging

That's from OSHA's Oregon numbers. You like to play with your numbers and data, professonal drivers are in the top 10 national most dangerous jobs, but that includes Bus drivers, truck drivers, pizza boys, etc etc. I don't see you lining up to be a police officer, it's much easier to sit at your desk and bitch about it online. I wonder how "dangerous" that job is. Must be up there with Nelsen Family and shut-in.

At 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you can apply for hardship and get the license fee waived

At 12:31 PM, Blogger noel adamson said...


Oregon?! Oregon was amongst the first states to decriminalize pot and has a reputation for being freedom loving concentrating their meager law enforcement resources instead on actual crime. I know of more than one case where they aprehend criminals who had previously roamed freely here in California and in short order too. I think they still have no sales tax either.

You don't know whether or not I have ever "lined up to become a police officer". I haven't. My brother did however. Back east in Maryland. They abandonded him one night in a black town for being a "nigger lover" and he quit. They only allowed bigots on their force.

As we develop our nation more and more into a police state we expand the number of police officers to the detriment of their quality just as the military has been rapidly lowering their standards as our militarism escalates. Speaking of which I was in the military and it was dangerous. Lowered standards then too. : )

Having our police constantly answering frivolous complaints from people such as one neighbor on my street and one neighbor on most people's strees, having them spend inordinant amounts of time chasing pot heads, vagrants, dogs and cats is a reasonable complaint and one which more sober minded law enforcement types will openly agree.

As for playing with numbers national fatality numbers should be a better indicater;

While I am glad that police officers do not suffer an extrordinary death rate it is an indication of just who is being targetted by society. It is by and large the weakest members of society and not criminals other than those who fit both categories. Occupations more dangerous than being a police officer:

Number of deaths per 100,000 employed Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries, 2000

Timber cutting 122.1

Fishermen 108.3

Airplane pilots 100.8

Farmers 33.0

Miners 30.0

Construction laborers 28.3

Truck drivers 27.6

Groundskeepers 14.9

Laborers (non-construction) 13.2

Ranchers 13.0

Bus drivers 12.9

Police and detectives 12.1

National average: 4.3

My apologies to you Fred. I didn't mean to get wound up in a lengthly discussion with other commenters on your blog.

At 12:46 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

So what it boils down to is this, you want a body count, where I'm using injuries. We are also using data that is old, some even outdated (I'm sorry, but in this modern age, 6 years is a long time). With modern body armor, car safety, and training, you are less likely to take a round and die, then you were 15 years ago. So does that make the job safe? I do find it funny that you complain about "frivolous complaints" yet you seem to be bugging the FBI an awful lot. I guess "frivolous complaints" are other people's problems, but yours are serious.

Noel, what in the hell is your point again anyway? Make pot legal and the World will be a shiny happy place? Is that it?

At 12:49 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Here is the link to the story Fred.


Or you can just click HERE

At 12:50 PM, Blogger Fred said...

That's ok, Noel. You boys fight it out amongst yourselves. Happens all the time.

At 12:52 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

The number of valid cards currently on issue is 242, she said.

Wow, that's alot of cards for this area, not. What gives? I did like this though:

Since the card program started in 2000, approximately 868 cards have been issued, with many being duplicates.

"Hey man, like have you seen, my, um, party coupon, man?"

At 12:57 PM, Blogger Fred said...

Thanks. Where'd you find that link? I must have missed it.

At 1:26 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Sometimes all the stories aren't linked to the front page.

At 6:54 PM, Blogger noel adamson said...

"Noel, what in the hell is your point again anyway? Make pot legal and the World will be a shiny happy place? Is that it?"

My point is that the police waste a lot of valuable time on petty crap instead of fighting crime in partial agreement with fred's point "I think marijuana certainly needs to be decriminalized, not legalized." and expanded on the cash cow for bureaucrats theme when I mentioned having the largest prison population on earth and watering down the quality of the courts and law enforcement to police all these petty things. Then, when you need a cop they are out searching the back section of the Balloon tract for homeless people.

At 8:42 AM, Blogger ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

Leonidas must agree with Noel for the most part. "Decriminalizing" pot is only another word for legalizing it. The govt will convert its use into a cash cow in any event (it's what they do). Having said that and also having anecdotal exposure to law enforcement across the nation and other nations as well as 15 years on the streets of Los Angeles County as a cop, I am here to tell you that law enforcement agencies in Humboldt County are a JOKE!

At 2:45 PM, Blogger ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

noel said in the first comment: "Legalizing pot, homelessness (AKA trespassing)and other victimless crimes would be very dangerous... to law enforcement."

"Trespassing" (section 602 PC) is NOT a victimless crime. I didn't keep stats but I have been shot at and had 3 colleagues shot dead on the job as well as a partner shot in the abdomen. These were not like "accidents" which cause death or injuries in other occupations.

At 9:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Noel Adamson is mentally ill, and should not be using or around pot. Noel, you should also not be around other humans, but go back to planet Carpface, where you belong.
This is your tax dollars at work, supporting the great CarpFace.


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