Saturday, February 18, 2006

Green Factionalism Heats Up?

I can't help but wonder if this story about the Arcata Greens retracting the resolution (or whatever it was called) against that corporate contribution initiative is indicative of a factional battle within their group heating up. Or, maybe this is more of what's been going on all along and it's just now coming out in the open?

I get the impression the Greg Allen/ Charles Douglas faction is the middle- of- the- road, closer to the mainstream of society bunch and the others, the Meserve/ Cobb faction, is clearly the hard Left faction of the group. How far apart those factions are, I don't know.

I would think it's a safe bet that the Meserve/ Cobb faction has the big lead in numbers within the local Greens, but you never know; The Eureka Greens were leaning against supporting that initiative as well. How many people show up to the Eureka Greens meetings?

14 Comments:

At 9:36 AM, Blogger mresquan said...

Charles Douglas told me that he is no longer a registered green.According to Jesse Goplen's press release sent out last week, he used Jesse's mailing address to register as an Arcata green,only so he could vote down this initiative.Charles avoided discussing the issue when I asked him about it.Greg certainly is more centrist then Meserve or Cobb,almost a constitutionalist.I still really do not understand why a green would not support something like this, corporate financed campaigns have severly hurt them,and has prevented them from even having names on ballots in certain states.I believe one of their 10 key values is local control over corporations.I mean I understand that looking into the consequences of measures is important, but sometimes moral stances are necessary even if they can be questioned in our constitution.I wonder where Douglas/Allen really stand on same sex marriage issues.Do they defend the constitutionality of that as well? Oh, the Eureka greens meetings are generally as scarcely attended. The last one I went to only had a quorum because 3 folks from DUHC showed up,and 1 member of local solutions. But,having said that,I do know that some within the group are doing some work with their legislative agenda,so I would expect them to draw bigger crowds.There are folks in this group who want to get things done.

 
At 10:00 AM, Blogger Rose said...

The Greens are smart enough to see the fatal flaws in this "initiative" while Patrick Riggs (aka LocalSolutions), as the Democratic Party, embraced and endorsed it on behalf of all the good democrats in Humboldt County.

What's Riggs' agenda? What's LocalSolutions agenda? It's not tough to figure it out.

 
At 10:21 AM, Blogger Fred said...

Charles Douglas no longer registered as a Green? Unbelievable!

I wonder what he's registered as now; a card carrying member of the Constitution Party?

 
At 10:28 AM, Anonymous vaco said...

Open debate in a local political group, who knew such things were possible? Theres certainly no debate in Democracy Unlimited or the groups it controls, they meet in secret.

 
At 10:48 AM, Blogger mresquan said...

Welcome, Charles Douglas to the decline to state category.

 
At 12:30 PM, Blogger Rose said...

I should amend that tosay that the Greg Allen faction is smart enough to understand what is wrong with that initiative. Meserve is not.

 
At 1:33 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Will Humboldt County have THREE different Green parties soon? This is getting, well, odd.

 
At 2:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, anon.r.mous - FOUR (plus)There are certain local greens that have been hiding as "dems" and are slowly showing their colors. They are on the local Humboldt democratic central committee. Did anyone see HC democratic central member Lauren Oliver's letter to the editor in the ER? Or Patrick Rigg's support of the anti corp initiave as well as his "founding member" status with "Local Solutions." Anyone read his statements in the Local Solutions rag that has been peddled around these parts as of late? Why would the local dems under the control of local solution's Patrick Riggs blindly support the anti-corp intitiave even in the face of questions directly asked concerning its obvious unconstitutionality? I guess the blues don't mind being hijacked by the greens.

 
At 4:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

whats even wierder is the greens wont back the fubared corporation initiative while the dem committee will, it makes the pat riggs/dennis huber bunch look even more out of touch

 
At 8:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone see the TS article about the rift in the Arcata Greens over the anti-free speech intiative.

"Goplen later apologized for his vote to oppose the measure. He said he was swayed at the time by arguments made by Allen, an attorney."

"He said to question the ordinance on technical grounds is not appropriate, because it is new and revolutionary."

"”The purpose of the ordinance is to test what is possible, to build a movement to take back our democracy,” he said."

Arcata City Councilman Dave Meserve agreed.

”We decided as Greens that it was a good idea to get active and to reaffirm the Green values to the Arcata chapter,” he said."

Well if this is what the Greens stand for their cause is doomed and their judgment even worse. What is truly troubling to the point of being disgusting is that the local Dems jumped on the bandwagon for this unconsitutional initiative having abandoned all reason and the democratic principles that the party once stood for - I am going to have to reregister - calling the opposition to constitutionally prohibited suppression of speech 'technical grounds' is an embarrassment and both local committees ought to be forced to re-read the consitution (assuming that they can read) or should be taken back behind the barn and smacked around with a constitutional law book.

 
At 8:46 AM, Blogger Fred said...

837 wrote: "I am going to have to reregister".

You can re- register using the link at the top of the Humboldt LP web page. I understand they send you a registration card already filled out and you sign, date and return it. Don't forget to check off Libertarian Party as your party affiliation.

 
At 8:51 AM, Anonymous Vaco said...

Can you imagine being swayed over the legality of some initiative by a lawyer? Thank goodness weve got undereducated goons from DUHC to show us the (false) light! Damn the free speech, full speed ahead!

 
At 9:11 AM, Blogger mresquan said...

Corporations need to now fight for their rights to both vote and run for seats. I mean "corporate personhood" should grant them that right, shouldn't it?.Since Security National is headquartered here, I think it should run against Bonnie Neely.No need here for Flemming to run.Then in 2 years we can run Palco against Jimmy Smith.Oh,poor corporations,so abused!

 
At 9:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah that evil north coast coop is such a monster because one of its stockholders lives in trinity county so we need to sue it into oblivion to prove our superiority

 

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