Wednesday, March 15, 2006

Another Group?

Yet another interest group is formed over the Balloon Tract controversy. This Preserve Our Waterfront bunch has put a local initiative on the ballot that would provide for a public vote to decide what the fate of the waterfront will be. Does that make sense? Maybe.

Whatever. I've never seen any evidence that the collective wisdom of the masses has any beneficial effect on the community or anything else. We certainly have an element in Eureka that seems to think anything that happens in town needs to be put up for a vote, just like what we keep seeing happen in Arcata.

I question these folk's motives, though. Just look at their name. They want to "preserve" the waterfront, not decide what to do with it. Seems to me they just figure the majority of voters will oppose Marina Center and this is the best way to shut Marina Center down. Do the majority of voters oppose Marina Center? That remains to be seen.

15 Comments:

At 10:58 AM, Anonymous mresquan said...

At the Feb 7th city council meeting,I questioned why security national did not want to bring this to a city wide vote.I am fairly sure they would get their project approved,definentally would minus Home Depot in the mix.My impression is that if this group here gathers a significant amount of signatures,council may step in and place it on the Nov.ballot.Leonard,Jones,and Wolford,may view a move like that as being good for their re-elections,as it would appease us opposers of big box development by putting the decision in the hands of city of Eureka voters.

 
At 11:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You may have missed Sunday's T-S article about Citizens for Real Economic Growth. Their philosophy about the Arkley project is at http://www.SaveEurekaWaterfront.org. Developers talk a lot about anchor developments - remember the Humboldt Hilton? - but there is no guarantee a Home Depot or anything else will be lined up as a tenant.

 
At 12:36 PM, Blogger Fred said...

Scott wrote: "definentally would minus Home Depot in the mix".

I don't know about that. I realize I don't know a whole lot of people but I feel safe in saying the vast majority of people I do know would love to have a Home Depot here.
I remember well how bummed a lot of people were when Pay-n-Pak shut down.

And Anon11:24, yeah, I saw that article, just didn't have much to say about it at the time.

 
At 1:02 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

Fred,mresquan isn't Scott.Scott and I are with the Humboldt Voters Association,and prior with the Voter Confidence Committee.I'll e-mail you some personal info privately.Remember that only Eureka residents would be voting on this,so folks in Kneeland,Mckinleyville,Fortuna,etc. who speak in favor of a Home Depot wouldn't be voting. Plus,there are quite a few folks who favor it,but don't like the waterfront location.I sometimes wonder if the whole Home Depot thing is ploy,and really wasn't intended at all.It may make for selling the project easier if they dropped that plan.I mean Security National would profit regardless,no matter what went in.A few small shops,art studios,a nightclub,Lost Coast Brewery, a seafood restaurant,and a whole lot of open space is cool enough for me.Union Pacific needs to do a full cleanup,no matter what happens,putting that onto someone else the bill is bullcrap.Home Depot could end up in Fortuna.

 
At 1:22 PM, Blogger Fred said...

"Fred,mresquan isn't Scott"
Ooops! Something you referred to earler on made me think you were Scott Menzies.

 
At 2:16 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

I guess we do think along the same lines,for the most part.That Realizing Community thing makes some sense.He and I certainly are on the same page in regards to ranked voting,primarly why we split up the Voter Confidence Committee,as Scott and I both believe that ranked voting will give voters more of a reason to get to the polls,therefore generating more interest in the voting equipment that is used.Dave Berman prefers to jump straight to that issue,making it somewhat more difficult for him to get folks on board with him.I certainly agree with him on security,and potential tampering issues,but its hard to convince the( generally diconsented with government,at all) public.The information about machine disfunctions is certainly out there.But,I guess he and a few other folks will continue with the Voter Confidence Committee name,so we'll see if they'll make some noise.

 
At 3:36 PM, Blogger Bill G said...

"I mean Security National would profit regardless,no matter what went in.."
I don't believe that. I doubt they turned a profit on that Starbucks, etc.

 
At 4:23 PM, Anonymous mresquan said...

No,not yet,and they also paid a ridiculous price for a ridiculous looking building, it's really an eyesore,and not extremely convenient,or inviting,plus all the zoning changes that were involved with the building in the first place.I would imagine that Edward Jones has turned them a profit.I'm sure that the Security National folks have learned a thing or two since.Quiznos sucks, and really,well that's all I have to say about that.

 
At 4:51 PM, Blogger Bitxxx said...

I agree mresquan. It is unfortunate the architectural style and colors SN chooses is a bit out there. Same unfortunately for the Marina Center. It looks like it is another outdoor mall from the bay area. All the buildings look alike and really don't reflect the architecture of the area. Hopefully that would change.

 
At 5:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree, Fred, he does sound like Scott.

 
At 8:46 PM, Blogger Bill G said...

I think those buildings look good, certainly better than a lot of the other buildings in Eureka. And Quiznos is good too. The architecture of the area? What is that - - empty, or 'post modern dilapidation'?

 
At 9:11 PM, Blogger Bitxxx said...

To each their own.

 
At 10:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not another group. Please not another group.

 
At 6:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There have been dozens of clean ups along the waterfront (which the balloon tract is not) that use the same clean ups SN is proposing.
For example, Fishermans' Terminal and the Adorni Center both were CAPPED.

The "full cleanup" idea is just another way to stop the project by the "no growth" factions.

 
At 5:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, Fred. Won't do it again. That was a group effort though, a few people here chiming in. Didn't occur to me that it would be seen otherwise.

 

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