Thursday, May 11, 2006

Fifth District Debates

Being out of town, I missed the Fifth District Supe Candidate Debates. The Eureka Reporter made the event sound pretty dull, compared to the Times- Standard. Any of you watch the show?

Looks like candidate, Dan Pierce , livened things up a bit with his use of various props. I can't help but like a guy that gets some excitement going.

I'm wondering about this Jeffrey Lytle guy; I've heard from two different people about him. One said he'd heard Lytle was a libertarian. The other one said Lytle told her he was a libertarian. Interesting.

I don't see him on my old list of registered libertarian voters. Of course, that list is exactly that: Old. I've looked before and didn't find a web page, not even an entry on the League of Women Voter's Smartvoter web page (I'll never understand why so many candidates don't take advantage of at least that free web service).

So, even if Lytle is a libertarian, you'd never know that about him from any campaign material, since he doesn't seem to have any. Anybody here know anything about him?


At 11:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


He is.

Mike Harvey

At 11:39 AM, Blogger Fred said...

Thanks Mike. In fact I think you mentioned something about him, earlier on. Can't recall just what it was, though.

At 12:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't miss Capt. Buhne's take on the debate.

At 12:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

March 02 vote totals Supervisor; County of Humboldt; District 5

Jill K. Geist
2060 votes 29.2%
Ben E. Shepherd
2009 votes 28.5%
Michael A. Harvey
1199 votes 17.0%
John W. Corbett
1191 votes 16.9%
Victor A. Taylor
307 votes 4.4%
Daniel R. Pierce
280 votes 4.0%
(5 Writein Votes 0.1%, 234 Blank Votes, 1 Over Votes)

Where is Daniel's 666 as he said last night and in Buhne's blog?

At 12:43 PM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

In a nutshell:
Jill - will bring more of the same

Higgins - will solve housing crisis, control 'sprawl', remove the dams on the Klamath (but Jill said she already started that process)

Pierce - says he can do anything, build anything, drive anything. Has seen the white light.

Lytle - not happy with county government, especially with lack of communication, wants to see more manufacturing jobs

In my biased opinion, I think Lytle did a great job, especially for being new to the arena. He had good answers. The 'debate' was more interesting than the papers made it sound. There were a couple of decent exchanges - Higgins & Lytle said that mckinleyville weren't getting an equitable distribution of services relative to the money we send to the county, Jill said they were trying to refine the #'s, and Lytle countered with something like, "refine what" - you have a CAO, you just have to ask, "are we, or aren't we?" I thought that was great. Cut the crap and give an answer.

At 1:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 1:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Q and A for Tim Hooven:

Here's a couple questions for you:

Who would you rather see in office for the 5th district: Geist or Higgins?

Can Lytle beat Higgins for second?

Will Pierce, Lytle, and Higgins have enough votes to force a run off versus Geist?

Mike Harvey

At 2:16 PM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

Reality bites. I have to think about that...can't you just call me a name or something?

At 2:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd say it is hard to quantify what McKinleyville's fair share is since we spend so much of our money in the other communities - only thing to go on is property tax, and with all the new houses selling for $500,000 plus, those numbers are going to add up.

Question really is, what does McKinleyville need? If we really have 8 deputies, that's pretty good plus the Highway Patrol. How much government interference do we really want?

What does McKinleyville really need except less restrictions? Or more restrictions depending on your perspective.

At 2:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That debate was pretty McKinleyville-centric, what about the other areas?
I'm very happy with Geist.
LOVED Daniel Pierce!
Lytle shouldn't have wasted his closing statement.

At 2:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How does Buhne get those pictures off the TV!?!

At 2:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never mind. I see he uses a digital camera. And just shoots the screen.

At 2:31 PM, Blogger Fred said...

I think he just takes a picture with a digital camera.

At 3:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff Lytle did give some good answers. But he's not ready for prime time. Needs to run for a few smaller things first and get some experience, some idea of how procedures work, and give us some idea of his temperament. How he gets along with the public - or not. Sounds like he is just angry about having to work with the planning department, and he lost his cool at the end. That's not a good sign.

Higgins? The guy likes to lecture too much. That'd get old real quick. I'd rather have Daniel Pierce.

At 4:51 PM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

Why does he need experience? Look where experience has gotten us.

At 5:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You need to know how he is going to react when the heat is on. Will he remain calm, or will he blow. No matter what you will never agree with everyone who comes before you, but you have to remain respectful.

At 5:24 PM, Anonymous Priestess of Astaroth said...

Too bad Bravo isn't there to run for that position.

At 5:46 PM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

It's OK to lose your cool once in a while.

At 6:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little experience is useful because then you know how the the person will react. Will Lytle listen to the public? Will he return phone calls? Will he he be fair to all sides? Will he do his homework? Will he use his position to go after his perceived enemies? Will he be effective? Can he get the job done? Can he wiggle his way through the bureacracy to accomplish the task at hand?

The answer: We don't know. He might turn out to be the greatest supervisor in the world. Or he might not even show up to work. Don't know.

At 6:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

FTA, like Gallegos.

At 6:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At 7:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I liked watching what they did with their hands. Geist nervously fumbled around with her pen. When Higgins was finished with his answer, he immediately reached for the coffee cup – every time!!! I don't recall if he actually took a drink. I think he just held on to the mug for security. Pierce kep his hands in the air a lot. Lytle seemed to keep them clenched and on the table.

At 8:26 PM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

Apparently, the man has been self employed for a number of years, and he is not homeless. That indicates he will show up, do his homework. He apparently does have a beef with the planning department, but many people who go in there also do. His points during the debate about county communication were right on, and most people who have dealt with any arm of the county are aware of this.

At 9:09 PM, Anonymous Priestess of Astaroth said...

I found Nick's myspace site

He shall soon be mine!

At 9:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, and Lytle seems to have a real aesthetic sense. I would hire him to design a project based on what I've seen. But in terms of running the county and dealing with the public, it would be better if he got some experience, maybe at MCSD before Supervisor - again, so that we have some idea of his demeanor. He came across as angry. Not as a bad person, but just not ready for prime time.

At 11:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish the people who have beefs with the planning dept. would explain, in detail, their issues. They're always vague. I don't doubt that they have problems, but I wish they'd be specific. All I ever hear is that they have problems, but they can't discuss the details.

That leaves me with basic questions – is the planning dept. fucking with them and impeding their projects, or did they fail to fill out the proper paperworks and jump through the right hoops?

Without details, who know? Like the lady on Hayes Rd. with the pre-school. She claims she's being persecuted, while the fact is that she set up her school without getting any permits.

There must be better example than that. Right?

At 6:53 AM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

First - many of the people who deal with the planning dept routinely do not want to have a future problem. Files can get lost, misplaced, or simply sit on a desk with no action. They are hesitant to speak up on an indvididual basis. Last July 20 + people testified to the Board of Supervisors about negative experiences with the department. They gave specifics. Nothing has been done (that I know of) to date.

The department seems very disorganized.

Some of the problem is the people who are filling out their permits, but also, the person at the desk does not give all of the information you need to fill it out properly. After you turn it in, you get more stuff to do, stuff you did not know about the first time.

On the Hiller Sports Site, MCSD turned in plans for a simple grading permit, paid an $800 fee to 'expedite' the process, and waited 8 months for a permit.

At 7:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Referring to your 4:51 comment:

Tim Hooven apparently your views have changed since your letter to the editor in Feb 02 to the McK Press. I have a copy.

I think Lytle did a good job on the forum. I do like Daniel though.

Mike Harvey

At 7:37 AM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

Salzman wrote that, not me. (crackpots - that is a joke)
Mike - can you burn that for me? I am thinking that must have been a letter supporting Ben Shepherd? Maybe I should say experience does count, it just depends on what type of experience it is. If Lytle can wade through the myriad of rules and regulations to run a business, he probably has tons of experience, end user experience that would help our county leadership understand what is actually happening in the community.

At 7:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am just having a lytle fun.

Mike Harvey

At 6:20 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Priestess of Astaroth said...

I found Nick's myspace site

He shall soon be mine!

9:09 PM

25 years old
United States

Last Login: 5/12/2006

At 6:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Harmony's lollipop

At 7:11 PM, Blogger Nick Bravo said...

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C'mon know you want to.

At 8:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lylte does have a page up with the League:

Seems like a real do-it-yourselfer, but the poor guy could use some endorsements!

At 9:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to his website, he's for a livable wage. Does he plan on an ordinance mandating a livable wage? What does that mean? Will McDonald's now have to pay $12 an hour to burger flippers?

At 11:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Lytle is qualified because he ran a small business, then I guess his opponent Higgins is equally qualified.

At 1:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All Geist had to do is look sane. The choice is pretty clear.

At 7:43 AM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

Anon 9:53 - he talks about creating jobs that pay those wages, not mandating higher wages for current "low wage" jobs. Manufacturing was specifically mentioned in the debate.

At 9:12 AM, Blogger Fred said...

8:26 wrote, "Lylte does have a page up with the League..".

Good for him. He must have just done that recently as I checked two or three weeks ago and he didn't have anything there.

Amazing how many candidates don't take advantage of the LOWV Smartvoter page. Even if they don't have an "official" web page, they could use the Smartvoter page. And I'm not picking on everyone else. Libertarian Party candidates are just as bad.

At 11:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And at a time when manufacturing in the U.S. is on a decline as it moves to other parts of the world just how is anyone going to attract it to Humboldt. I just don't get this living wage job thing as it tied to manufacturing. Ain't gonna happen.

At 9:04 PM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

Manufacturing was mentioned in the debate, but the concept, I believe, is getting 'better' jobs. Tourism isn't going to pay the bills.

At 1:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And those better jobs would be?

At 7:19 AM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

That's the $25,000 question. It starts with the community development department. You have to have enough land planned and zoned to facilitate jobs & housing.

At 10:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Facilitate what sort of jobs?

At 1:03 PM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

Jobs that pay well. Or at least well enough to cover housing costs.

At 1:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just tell me what sort of jobs we could get here that qualify as paying well?

I keep hearing the same rhetoric about living wage jobs yet no one can tell me what they are and why they would come to Humboldt.

At 2:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one in their right mind would come to Humboldt in the current political climate.

At 4:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still doesn't answer the question.

At 4:44 PM, Blogger Tim Hooven said...

I said manufacturing earlier, that is very general...maybe "value added" is better, something to replace the timber jobs. Yes - manufacturing is on a decline, but if you have a niche product/service, or a product/service that uses resources that are not available elsewhere, or used in an innovative way, one could make it work...but you also need a climate that allows different businesses to prosper. Livable wage = enough to live and put some away.

At 5:05 PM, Blogger Bitxxx said...

Bingo! Value-added. Niche.

Now if the County, Harbor District and City of Eureka only made an effort to promote and nuture the start-up of such businesses we would have something.

But nooo... they want the big ol silver bullet.


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