Sunday, July 02, 2006

Flag Desecration Poll

The latest Times- Standard online poll asks whether you'd support a constitutional amendment to outlaw desecration of the American flag.

Seems there's always a diehard 30%, more or less, that support such ideas. I can't imagine why anyone would. Sure, I understand the emotional aspect some have toward flag desecration, but I don't see any compelling objective argument for a law prohibiting it.

It amazes me that even a small majority can't see the irony in supposedly defending freedom by placing more limits on it.


At 11:48 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

There's the libertarian issue, and there's also the "get a life" issue. Has there been a rash of flag burnings lately? Are we in a flag burning crisis? You could probably count the flag burning incidents over the past decade with your fingers.

This is about creating a climate of patriotic correctness. Nothing else.

At 1:32 PM, Blogger Fred said...

Probably along the same line of those who are pushing for schools to require the Pledge of Allegience be recited each day.

At 2:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tend to agree. BUT. It used to be that people felt a sense of belonging and a need to protect and defend not only this country but what it stood for. there was a sense of commonality. What is now called the hate-America-first crowd has definitely diverged from that. How to fix it? Can it be brought back? In fictional fantasies like "Independence Day" it returns when faced with a common enemy, but in reality it doesn't when faced with islamo-fascists who saw off people's heads and post the screams on the internet.
I have always been against the draft, being of the vietnam era, but it did seem that when all were required to serve, there was at least, respect and that sense of commonality, a shared concern.
We don't need a constitutional amendment. We do need some kind of return to caring about what we have here, which is so incredibly vital and precious, and that I wish the rest of the world could also have. Freedom, not only of speech, the right to protest and criticize our governent, but the right to walk free in the streets without fear of having our heads sawed off, and without fear of a bomb going off at say, Arts Alive!
That's my thinking as we head into the Fourth. How lucky we are, and how littel we appreciate it. Makes me sad.

At 6:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you can burn our nations flag but you can't burn a cross? hmmm,,,,

let's burn rainbow coalition flags at naacp gatherings. hmmm,,,,

let's burn folded red ribbons at gay pride rallies. hmmmm,,,,

can you spell hipokricee?

At 7:42 PM, Blogger ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

Anon 2:59: "Can it be brought back?"
ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ is not sanguine that it can be brought back legislatively. For an intresting take on our current situation I would urge everyone to read Tim Case's essay at:
It seems like "deja vu" all over again.


At 8:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

in case you need some fire starters, theres a pile of unread humboldt advocates sitting in front of my favorite coffee shop, they sit there all week as far as i can tell. am i the only one who notices how the eureka reporter box is empty by 2, but the advocate box is untouched?

At 8:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I use the Advocate in place of weed barrier. Covered with cocoa mulch. Four or five thick.

"For those who have put their faith, trust and future in the hands of the state: Welcome to hell!"
I read the piece, ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ.

I fear our demise comes not from illegal immigration, but from our own friends and neighbors, who have become lazy and bored. who seek causes in order to fill the void, and who champion empty vessels who entertain them, voting them into office, and voting in any insane initiative that makes them feel like they have been recycling, doing the 'right' thing without any effort.

The author is right, I fear. We are at the end of our empire. I worry for my kids. Our society is killing itself, shutting itself off.

At 11:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Been thinking about it, ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ. Hasn't every generation been sure we were near the end? That this attitude, or rule breaking, or music or trend was the end?

On the other hand, we are crushing ourselves with regulation, every perverse thing is now belligerently 'normal' none of the sane rules and safeguards that protect the huddled masses, and allow them to indulge in these games are being kept. Every safeguard is being shot down.

What does it take to wake people up?

At 10:50 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

anon 6:12

" you can burn our nations flag but you can't burn a cross? hmmm,,,,

let's burn rainbow coalition flags at naacp gatherings. hmmm,,,,

let's burn folded red ribbons at gay pride rallies. hmmmm,,,,

can you spell hipokricee?"

Well, I agree that the law should not prohibit the mere burning of crosses per se, however, traditionally the act was made with the intention of threatening black people with violence. There is no equivalency.

As to burning rainbow flags and ribbons, well, if the liberal crowd starts talking about a Constitutional Amendment, you let me know.

At 10:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, the liberals just exorcise censorship without any amendment, eric. Look at KMUD and what they just did to Stephen Lewis, who invited the murderer's father to defend his attacks. Banned. Cancelled. It's called censorship. The politically correct kind, Sanctioned by the oh-so-enlightened-liberal-crowd. Positively Orwellian.

Was it ad dollars that spoke more loudly to KMUD than the right to free speech? Or threats of a lawsuit by the Bear River tribe, who employ the murderer's father?

At 11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

exercise. not exorcise

(definition of a murderer... someone who stabs another human being in the heart over 50 bucks and some drugs)

If the murderer's father couldn't stop his son from doing that, how is he going to stop some casino employee from ripping off your car in the valet parking garage, or following you home and robbing you, maybe stabbing you, when you win a jackpot? You feel safe at Bear River Casino? Think again.

At 8:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No to all of that - it was pure hypocracy. KMUD is a joke and so is the current tribal council of Bear River. Bowman raised a murderer.

By the way of talking about hypocracy - the Casino practices sexual discrimination and harrassment daily. They force the female employees to be weighed daily and if they are 2 pounds overweight then they are threatened with being taken off the floor and put in the back where they can't earn any tips. Any more weight than that they can be fired.

Oh well - talk about two faced - Seems like Bowman and his gang are very discriminatory. Guess whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

what jerks

At 3:16 PM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

anon 10:56 - according to Lewis' blog, he quit. Where did you hear "banned" or "canceled?" And to my knowledge, KMUD isn't financed by the Bear Creek Band. KMUD doesn't have ads, so there are no ad dollars.

At 3:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about burning AIDS quilts? No equivelancy there either Eric?

At 8:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric - when you are told you can't speak on a certain subject you are being censored. The subject matter is banned. How hard is that to get thru your head?

At 12:55 AM, Blogger Eric V. Kirk said...

That's different from what you implied. You said "banned. Canceled." in reference to what "they just did to Stephen Lewis"

I don't know why the subject matter was banned. Perhaps because Bowman warned Jacinto of potential slander.


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