Democracy Unlimited Moves
Matt, Matt, Matt; What did you have to go and do that for?
Matt Owen, husband of Virginia Bass, apparently complained to the City of Eureka when he found out Democracy Unlimited didn't have a permit to be operating at Fourteenth and M Streets in Eureka where they have their headquarters. The City won't issue a permit to them now, so they'll have to move by the end of the year.
Who cares if they don't have a permit? Hey, I don't mind a little good old fashioned fun, but over this?
I'm sure Democracy Unlimited is no more disruptive to that neighborhood than a lot of other houses are in other neighborhoods around town. Heck, even the Matteolis have their fair share of large family parties that tie up parking for half a block around. With all the coming and going out of their house, if I didn't know better, I'd think it was some crack house.
If you really felt strongly there was a problem about this, you should of at least waited until after the election so this wouldn't seem like so much of a childish political prank.
As far as the Kaitlin and Dave are concerned, it will likely just be a small hassle for them. I assume they'll still be able to live there. Heck, they could probably still have meetings there. They'll just need to find a new place to call their official headquarters. Any volunteers out there? Mresquan? SAF? Heraldo? Eric?
posted by Fred Mangels @ 8:57 AM
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193 Comments:
I care that they don't have a permit. Play by the rules.
Oh yes, just like the Republican response to the Foley scandal. Ignore that the law was broken and instead villify opponents because of the timing. As if the law would have been less broken after the election.
LOL! Cobb's world is falling down around him!
Those pancake feeds can really tear down the neigborhoods not to mention property values!
I agree on the timing though...Virginia, Who wears the pants in your family? Get a grip on your campaign staff before they ruin EVERYTHING like Bonnie's bunch did for her!
Well Fred rules are rules. Can each individual decide which city ordnances or laws they chose to obey?
After all isn't Kaitlan a big one for rules and "measures" and going by the book?
Come on Kaitlan, it can't be 'do as I say not as I do' !
It's amazing what passes for news up here. A zoning / permit issue gets front page.
Seeing Kaitlin and David make their house payments off the pancake breakfasts and the rooms they rent out, they may have to move. Not like either of them have jobs.
Democracy Unlimited can probably share space at HCDCC-everybody ELSE is there!
They can move in with Dick in Trinidad.
did they really have pancake feeds at their house? I was wondering what Kaitland did for gainful employement.
Here is the part I like about the story:
Owen said, “I don't even know what their politics are.”
So besides being petty, the guy is an obvious liar.
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The part I liked most was where Dave Tyson says "Democracy Unlimited is operating outside the bound of what would be allowed in a residential area of the city" (Read-zoning).
11:32 wrote, "Democracy Unlimited can probably share space at HCDCC-everybody ELSE is there!".
Good point. Seems to me all they need is a different official address. As far as pancake feeds, I guess we need to have a permit for someone to have a pancake feed? Probably so, even though it's no different than someone who has big family parties all the time.
If Dave and Kaitlin stay there, does that mean they have to evict their tenants and not allow any guests to come over? I should hope not.
Bottom line is, there are going to be issues to be resolved with neighbors. I don't think we need to go around pointing the fingers at each other over what activities neighbors have at their houses all the time. Remember that whatever goes around, comes around.
I realize I'm being overly simplistic, but we need to learn to live and let live. I wouldn't want someone hassling me to have to get a permit for activities at my house so I'm not going to hassle them to get a permit for what they do at their house.
Move Democracy Unlimited over to the Humboldt Democratic Central Committee/Local Solutions/AEB/CREG/Save Eureka Waterfront offices they will fit right in. All the same people what's the problem?
12:19 wrote, ""Democracy Unlimited is operating outside the bound of what would be allowed in a residential area of the city" (Read-zoning).".
True. Much like their battle cry of "Local Control". They don't seem bothered with the hypocrisy of the local control thing but maybe they'll be a lesson learned with this?
What does Kaitlan do for a job? Is this DU her paycheck ?
It's hard for me to understand the hypocracy. Kaitlan wants to use rules, change rules, to push her agenda but she and her supporters snivel, whine, and complain when they are expected to follow the rules? Just the kind of person Eureka needs!
Maybe when Home Depot comes in Kaitlan can get a job in the garden department?
You are such a Libertarian Fred! Rules are rules. We aren't making new rules to be mean-these are already on the books and besides-these exact same people call others out on rules issues ALL THE TIME. What do we feel sorry for them cause they're so cute? Not! Kaitlin and whatshisname aren't puppies and kittens-throw the bums out!
I mean find them a suitable home.
Fred are you saying Kaitlan is operating a boarding house ? Does she have the appropriate business license.
Where did Kaitlan come from? She wants local control but she's not local. How long has this darling been living in the great HC ? Just curious.
Dear Kaitlan, Demckery Unlimited
You need to follow the rules, that includes city ordnances, laws, etc if you expect to have any crediblity when you demand others do the same. You and your circle can't have your cake and eat it too, as the saying goes.
Why don't you move to Arcata or Trinidad ?
12:35 Social Services are located in Eureka!
Hi Fred,
Maybe Mr. Owen should check and see if Jeff Leonard had some sort of permit to exclude him from following the Brown Act when he knocked Police Review out of commission in Eureka a few months ago.
Leonard's motion to establish a "public safety committee" exclusive of police review powers, was done without notice and without a chance for public comment.
Of course, Leonard knew what he was doing was a probable violation but said he didn't care and "I'm going to do it anyway".
Maybe I am wrong though, it was all caught on tape.
Anyway, permits are important, I hope the good folks at DUHC work it out with the city.
I seem to remember a really nice church group had to work out some permit problems and everyone on the council was really pro-active in resolving the situation, had something to do with neighborhood impact concerns, parking and crime and such.
Could have been at that very same meeting Leonard knocked police review out of commission.
Not for sure though, it is on tape, somewhere, for sure.
Michael
Editor@FairChance.Us
Maybe DUHC could incorporate as a church. Lots of benefits, including not having to move the DUHC offices. Just trying to help.
My understanding is that in the three years more or less they have been up here, neither David or Kaitlin have had a job. They live off DU and whatever they are able to scam off others, like that community currency.
They have been here 3 years ? That's all! Where did they come from ?
They don't work and have pancake feed's at their house, take in boarders ? Are they disabled and can't work or just bums ?
I notice that Katlin Sopoci-Belknap never answered the question of whether DU was breaking the law.
They were at 9th and M(?) in Eureka before they moved to 14th. Don't know how long they were at the 9th Street house.
Michael wrote, "I seem to remember a really nice church group had to work out some permit problems."
You're probably referring to the Nazarene Church in Eureka, almost next door to me. Yes, they had a problem cause they set up a playground for their school, what's it called...Redwood Christian School?
I actually felt the same way about that, although I'll admit, that probably was a bit more disruptive than DU headquarters with all the people dropping and picking up their kids five days a week.
But, like I told the church girl that came around asking for comments, "It always sucks living around a church or a school, but the Matteolis across the street hold a fair amount of parties and have kiddie play stuff in their yard. What am I gonna do, get on their case for having lives?
What kind of got me the most about that was the guy that started the big stink about the church school playground, James Emery, doesn't even live here most of the time. I've been told he spends most of his time in San Francisco.
I felt the issue was kind of silly, although, in fairness, I spoke with one other guy who lives closer to the church than I do and he was a bit unhappy with the situation.
Aside from that all, as the Times- Standard pointed out, this is on E street, one of Eureka's main drags. Hardly the area to move in to and complain about the noise.
Me again Fred,
Leonard directed staff to agendize his Public Safety Commission exclusive of Police Review during council reports on May 2, 2006.
Also, I believe at Bass-Jackson's request, he also directed staff to agendize public discussion of a town hall meeting, with support from the State Attorney's office, concerning the Moore shooting.
I never heard anything about the town hall meeting after that night.
That was the same night council (1-4 with Kerrigan supporting) voted down the same-sex marriage resolution.
The discussion about the church group permit variance must have happened on April 18th, but the minutes are not posted for some unknown reason re that meeting on the city web site.
I remember that because Scott Thomason spoke in support of the church group variance, he is VP of Business Affairs over at CR and the principal brain behind Measure Q.
He authored a successful measure similar to Measure Q for the community college district he worked for before his job at CR.
Michael
Editor@FairChance.Us
Maybe Dave and Kaitlin should move to Oregon and set up a commune with mikey boy.
Fred,
We might be talking about similar variances but different church groups, the issue I raised was concerning a smaller group that only had a few people going in an out most of the time but every once in a while had a couple of dozen or more coming and going.
Alot like DUHC it seems to me.
Anyway, I better finish up here, I am researching a $283,500 grant the Humboldt County Probation Department recieved from the Board of Supervisors a few years back.
The county got money ($2,000,000 or so) from the state as a bonus for kicking families off of welfare.
The probation department got the grant to help at risk kids, you know, foster youth and other children having a tough time, like I was when I was a kid.
Michael
Editor@FairChance.Us
Maybe Mikey could mind his own business?
What's your last name Carol Ann ? Is your name really Carol Ann ? How does anyone really know ?
11:32, I'm sorry. Is there a difference between Democracy Unlimited and HCDCC? Fooled me.
Good idea to keep an eye on all the happenings over at OH's. Probably could dig up some nice violations there. Real brilliant move to further invogorate the left. DUHC's problem doesn't require much to fix, this stunt will damage her campaign much more than damage DUHC.
Anon 2:19 - "What's your last name Carol Ann? Is your name really Carol Ann? How does anyone really know?"
The blessings and curse of blogging. The freedom to say what is really on your mind and not care to temper your words concerned about what others might think.
David Cobb should be the one fixed. Oops, Kaitlin has already taken care of that. At least she can win an election.
Dave and Kaitlin are being paid by David's failed presidential campaign warchest.
Comments about DUHC renting space from the HCDCC along with "everyone else" are incorrect. The HCDCC is no longer sub-letting space.
Cobb's circle of influence is shrinking! He's the laughingstock of the green party and soon he'll be thrown out of Eureka thanks to Bass. Bass has my vote now! LOL!!!
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All of you planning on passing out candies on Halloween better be permitted to do so,you just know Matt Owen will be sending out undercovers.And folks who plan on making Christmas cookies at home and selling them to raise money for your group,school, or sports team don't even think about not being permitted to do so,with this guy on the loose.No more lemonade stands either.He's learned a few things from his buddy Mr.Singleton I guess.
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2:37 PM
"Comments about DUHC renting space from the HCDCC along with "everyone else" are incorrect. The HCDCC is no longer sub-letting space"
WHAT? You mean you kicked out Patrick Riggs too!? Maybe he and Kaitlin can go in together someplace-in Trinidad?
It'd be a good idea for Kaitlin to get a restraining order against Charles Douglas. His obsession with her is out of control. He was behind this all the way.
The church deal on E Street was any and everything but a zoning matter. The woman who lived within spitting distance from the swings was nearly driven to suicide. I wondered why she didn't get more support from her husband-who is a judge and works out of town. Perhaps this is the person who 'spends most of his time in San Francisco'.
I was present for some of those council meetings and the 'church people' certainly did not display the Christian qualities you would expect. They were mean.
2:56. You're the one who's obsessed....obsessed with charles douglas. You seem to think he's orchestrating everything bad that happens to Cobb and the rest of the crooked leftists. You give him far more power than he actually has, hell he can't even get his paper up and running...how the hell do you think he's orchestrating anything!
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And Mark Konkler-lay off Mark Owen he only sent a letter.
Facts are unfortunately facts-if Kaitlin was running a business out of a residential neighborhood that isn't zoned for it-Shame, shame.
No one said she couldn't live there and rent out the extra rooms which BTW doesn't make it a boarding house.
If the rules are good for Eureka-they sure should be good for Kaitlin...Don't ya think??
Oh I can answer that-No you don't think.
Its MATT Owen!!
Oh sorry I was just so mad at Konk.
Cobb and kaitlin like all good socialists think they're exempt from the laws that they demand that we the ignorant masses follow.
Carol Ann is Carol Conners. I will go into the blog dealie and add her last name, the sweetie!
There you go. Her profile has her last name now. Anon 2:19, and you are??
its so sad....david cobb has contributed so much to the community like....like...it'll come to me in a second...
Kaitlin with a K
Dear, I wonder how David and Kaitlin are doing, what with all this fuss? I am sure these nice people really mean well.
Blatant Pitch (sorry Fred):
http://greglist.blogspot.com/
So Carol, Itake it you're implicating yourself in their poorly thought out schemes to dupe the good people of Humboldt county?
Anyway, the sweeties need to check on opening up shop in a neighborhood just like the rest of us!
Face it! Cobb and Kaitlin are going to cut corners anyway they can. They got caught on this one.
You mean Measure T that the city attorney for Arcata Nancy Diamond says doesn't apply to incorporated cities?
3:48 Carol ann?
You may wish to have a checkup for your brain fade-the blog you are posting on has the topic concerning Democracy Unlimited having an office in a residential neighborhood-much goings on traffic, pancake feeds etc and our city manager has stated this property is zoned (R) Residential which would not allow for this particular use. Not even 'with' the business license DU did NOT apply for/receive. Kay?
BTW MOST people check on permits before they throw stones...
"Dave and Kaitlin are being paid by David's failed presidential campaign warchest."
I don't think so.
This is from a man who got zero-point-one percent of the popular vote.
Ain't much money backing a loser.
Nice of Greg to burn you on that on Carol Ann !
So was Demockery Useless legal with their permits or was David and Katlin playing by their own rules?
Just a cheap shot by Virginia and it will backfire.
Did Matt Owen bring up his problems to Kaitlan and David? If he did, and they ignored it then they should have been reported. If not then he is just being mean spirtited.
From the quote in the paper it sounded like the neighbors don't mind. C'mon people - do we really care if some nonprofit works out of a residential house? I bet most people working from home aren't permitted. And I bet the city doesn't care.
Only if there is a problem should it be looked into - and from the T-S story it doesn't sound like there was.
I'm with Fred on this one.
4:25 why can't you just read the whole blog? No, David and Katlin did not have a permit for a 'home business' BUT it wouldn't matter because that type of business with huge impacts to traffic (Greg will understand this) ARE NOT permitted in neighborhoods.
Virginia didn't do anything at all-it can't backfire too much I'd say because 'Democracy Unlimited' is pretty limited- its rather unknown!
Sorry to burst your bubble-this is a real non-story in the paper kind of topic.
As usual Greg and Carol would like to blow this into something big because their own website has nothing going on with no posts and 3 members who are mostly worn out trying to think of new ways to say the same crap. Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.
Shut em down Fred, post something somebody cares about.
Or everybody head over to Rose's
4:54, you mean David and Kailin aren't supposed to be the perfect role models they set themselves up to be? Or is it that unlike the rest of us they aren't to be held accountable for their actions.
Maybe we need to involve the IRS.
Okay maybe I'm naive, but what are "anti-corporate activists"?
Fred,
You make good points. I don't like Democracy Limited, or Measure Terrible, but Matt Owen looks like an asshole. Did Virginia OK this or did he just go off half-cocked? Either way, she looks bad and he looks petty.
Thanks a lot Matt. You better hope this doesn't hurt your wife's chances.
"If not then he is just being mean spirited."
So are corporate whistle blowers "mean spirited"?
How about residents who turn in neighbor for having a junk yard in their back yard?
What about the people who try to shut down the drug houses we have all over Humboldt County?
What if Fred calls the police because the dogs next door to him don't stop yapping all night long and his wife can't sleep?
Why don't we all just follow the law (including Katlin and David) and we won't have these problems in the first place.
Dave Tyson:
"no boad meetings in private residences"
um, since when are citizen's not allowed to have meetings in their homes?
ever heard of neighborhood watch?
i don't know about pancake breakfasts, how many people go?
David and Kaitlan are above the law! 5:24 you should not be attacking the party! We must all honor and revere David and Kaitlin for they have rescued us from bourgeoise capitalism and have told us all to live poor and under the wing of the state. 5:24 people like you shouldn't question the party or our esteemed leaders of the party!
Hello - my point was are the bothering anyone?? it wasn't clear that they are from the article, and what i said was, IF they're not, then he is being mean spirited. And the neighborly thing to do is to go to your neighbor, not call the city.
All the issues you mentioned are much more serious that having meetings and pancake breakfasts.
Geez, you'd think my fellow Republicans would agree that there is no reason to bring the government in, unless there is a problem.
Do pot smokers bother anyone while smoking in their own homes. They are still breaking the law and they face punishment, as should kaitlin and david.
Good thing Owen isn't running for office - known liars aren't very electable.
Wasn't that him challenging kaitlin to support a $1000 cap on Eric's blog just the other day? Does he expect anyone to believe him when he says he doesn't know anything about DU's politics?
Clearly many people posting here have no idea what the rules are for a home business. I have a 'home office' in the County, which may have slightly different rules, but as a 'cottage business' it can be run out of my house in a residential neighborhood. I have to have a business license, of course, but there is no zoning issue involved.
The issue, as I understand it, is what transpires as 'business.' If they are simply running their business together, sending and receiving mail and packages, then I believe they are free to do so. If their business involves clients or customers on site, then I believe they have to have liability insurance in case someone trips or whatever. It is only if the business creates traffic or requires more parking than is provided for as a residence that there must be additional permitting.
Seems to me their only problem is in calling their pancake breakfasts a 'business gathering' rather than a 'social gathering.' Does anyone really believe that no business transpires at the Matteolli house, the Arkley house, the Bass house, the Leonard House, the LaVallee house, the Kerrigan house, etc? A great deal of business gets done in social settings. If their pancake breakfasts were for "David and Kaitlin" rather than "DUHC", there would be no issue here.
David Cobb and Kaitlin have started their long hard fall. Cobb will end up a bald, poor, old man drawing on social security. Kaitlin will leave him and and then David will start drinking even more as he continues his downward spiral. He will then buy a gun and one bullet, and as he finishes off the last bottle while looking at child porn on his computer he will pick up the gun...
Give it enough time and the creepy people alwaysshow themselves. how many of these other posts did this guy write earlier today?
5:43=creepy.
So nice of you to point yourself out.
According to 5:39, David is turning out to be just like Greg Allen, ouch!!!
no comparison of the two is possible.
Allen tried to save the Green party and was doing a good job of keeping it independant from Democrat influence.
Cobb has turned the Green party into a puppet for the Democrats.
Heading through town today I noticed a few garage sales,and one kid on a corner with a lemonade stand.Anyone know if any permits were obtained here?I guess I'll drop the tip off in Ms.Snitch for mayor's mailbox.
shut-up esquan. No one wants to hear you chime in.
The Cobb and Kaitlin show has been going on for six months if not longer, every month, not like a one shot garage sale.
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I heard that the mayor tipped off Salzman on the letter which was sent to the city manager. The letter supposedly says to wait until after the election to take action. When the mayor got a hold of the letter he immediately called Salzman who in turn threatened to sue the city if Dave Tyson didn't take action immediately, as Salzman in his cheap demeanor knew that putting this out in public now would seem like a hit piece by Virginia's campaign. This reminds me so much of what he did with the coalition for jobs.
Anon 5:59
Greg Allen is a good hearted individual who unfortunately trusted Charles Douglas like so many in this county. He is minding his own business and was run out of the Green Party and has left politics.
Why is everyone so down on Douglas? Seems to me that he hasn't done anything worse than any other hackeneyed journalist like Sims and Hoover.
Anon/Charles 6:35
Stop sticking up for yourself!
Since someone brought up the playground at Redwood Christian School earlier, I'd like to clarify a couple of things, foremost that the School knowingly didnt get a permit/variance (I forget which it was, its been a couple of years). Anyway, the School in fact did contact City staff and was told they didnt need to do anything, that they could in fact have a playground. It only came up at a planning commission meeting when the Nash's and Mr. Emery were protesting another request by the church and school to add something that was completely unrelated to the playground. Mr. Emery in his investigation into the planning/building endeavours of both the school and church discovered that in fact, a modification of some sort was needed by the school to operate the playground.
At that point, the school initated that process, and the playground was eventually approved by the City Council.
As far as the neigbors, that 3:03 is mentioning, the Nash's you might be interested to know that their kids had both attended the School and that they bought the house next door for the convenience of living next to the school their kids attended. In fact both Mr. and Mrs. Nash volunteered in the construction of the playground, and their are donor tiles with their kids' names & handprints inside the playground wall.
I do know they eventually withdrew their kids from the school, but that was after the playground was built.
As far as Mr. Emery goes, he was spotted several times videotaping through the windows of the church and school. Thisnt a blind accusation - I called Eureka PD on him. He spent thousands of dollars on sound studies and the like...and the school did the same, and through the proper public process, the school gained their playground, and both the Times-Standard and Eureka Reporter editorialized in favor of the school.
As far as 3:03's assertions that some of us "church people" being mean, I have to say I attended those meetings as well, and I certainly dont think vigoursly defending yourself and your kids from wild accusations, and yes there were some very wild accusations out there, necessarily makes us "mean"...We are certainly going to stand up for ourselves.
As far as Mrs.Nash being nearly driven to suicide...that poor woman has had mental issues that she talked about ad nauseum at each and every meeeting she spoke at during this process. She went on at length about the meds she was on. I doubt that the school caused those issues.
Do as i say, not as i do... mresquan???
Why all the fuss about the balloon tract then, huh...I guess you wont have a problem if Rob Starts builing his home depot tomorrow then, right?
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Oh,I forgot,since Matt Owen does come here,I'll take this time now to say thank you,you've helped a lot.
Shut this crap down Fred. Its bad for society its bad for my computer.
The only people its bad for is David Cobb and the Cobbites.
mresquan, you're welcome.
6:41 I would love to play the audio of those council meetings because our memories differ greatly. You 'church people' tortured that poor woman and smiled about it-I was sitting a row behind. It was horrifying to watch!
You got your playground, but I can't believe anyone at your church thought it was ok for the swings to be placed right next to someone's windows so that kids could get going on the swings and practically be in some neighbors kitchen!
You were all disgusting.
Man, that makes me feel a lot better to tell you too!
Christian MY ASS!
Anyone knows where Charles Douglas lives?
5:37 pm made some very good points.
Another good point is that this is a heated election and Matt Owen’s complaint got immediate action. Other complaints, even about things done by some of the incumbents, have often been ignored for weeks and months. And with Virginia’s husband making the call, it appears that those in charge look are both hypocritical and petty.
Well, this had some interesting points, but re: Kaitlin's sex life - GROW UP PEOPLE!
6:24 Everything I know about Virginia tells me she wouldn't even know how to pick a bad hubby-she and her ex (Jackson) are still good friends he even helps with the campaign to this day-they are GOOD people unlike some other good people who are the co-targets of this blog.
Virginia Bass is one of the hardest working people in this county-she has endless energy and endless class. And if someone, somewhere says the letter Matt sent asked to save the issue until after the election-I do believe Peter is the 'leaker' as you reported. He just got to have his damn opinions all the time even when it isn't his place to give them.
I'd like to see someone lock Peter in a room with Marjorie Burgess and let her yell at him some more-Peter is an idiot!
hey 746....
There are No swings....lol
Go back and read MY post at 6:41...did I say anything inflammatory?
Why dont you go back and address what I SAID, not whatever you heard at these meetings..btw, I suppose that it's OK for everyone BUT Christians to be impassioned in an emotionally charged City Council/Planning Commission meetings...
But, once again, there are NO swings, and I invite you to discuss the POINTS I MADE in my post.
Go back and see if you CAN get tapes, (course you are just going to hear what you want to hear, and are going to tune out the borderline psychotic rants that some attacked the school folks with).
Go back and listen to Mrs Nash, and you come back and tell me her condition, which she went on about EVERY TIME SHE SPOKE, was caused by a playground SHE HELPED BUILD - BOTH FINANCIALLY & PHYSICALLY.
Yep its still available. Guess how I know?
I once asked for a tape that was 3 years old-that clerk handed it over in under 7 minutes flat while she responded to somebody who came into the office and answered two phone calls.
There is no swing because the city used some sense in getting you to take it out of there-you weren't going to so why are you getting all high and mighty that you don't have a swing now?!!
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817....there were never any swings...remember, the playground was already in place before anything even went to the planning commission/city council..there were NEVER any swings. LOL
Anyway, why dont you go ahead and address the points I raised in my posts...or is it that anyone who dares disagree with what ever it is you are for is a big blue meanie...lol
You're Blue? I'm sorry! I didn't mean to sound so 'red' and forgive me for not answering you-I am laughing hysterically! The church group I am talking about definitely had a swing set.
What I find so funny is the possibility we are both correct and arguing about completely different projects. LOL
Redwood Christian School-in ARCATA? Its not the school Fred mentioned and I picked up on-E Street-in Eureka! Have a nice evening...those others really did give Christians a bad name. Sorry to take it out on you!
"Dave and Kaitlin are being paid by David's failed presidential campaign warchest."
I don't think so. Ain't much money backing a loser.
Think again...
Cobb is definitely milking it. Why do you think the Ohio voter challenge happened? more money to Cobb.
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Getting a bit off topic are we?
So, Owen lied when he claimed to not know who they were, as well as asking Tyson to hold it until after the election???
Fred, Fred, Fred! Wake up and where is your post about both front page being devoted to the Balloon Trackt and Marina Center?
This non topic non story of yours has got to go. So what-and this doesn't have anything to do with the election Nov 7 anyway. Kaitlin is not running for anything, no one cares about her sex life, there is no giant conspiracy so lets move on!
Guess I'm lucky, none of my neigbor's would done anything so rude as a pancake breakfast once a month! At first that was hard for me to believe.
Bass , should drop out . She's not qualified to be buying her election to try to win the campaign and Lavalle..........already dropped out as far as we are all concerned . He too has been buying this election with government backed money so he can keep opening shelters along with , Bass, Wolford , Neely ( also known as "needle Neely" for starting the needle exchange program ) do not deserve to win . They are enemies of the people of Eureka .
Anon 9:47 - Jerry, take your medicine before you start blogging please.
anon 6:24 and 8:00,wouldn't it have been smarter for Matt Owen to wait until after the election to send the letter,to avoid any possible complications?
8:49 asks, "where is your post about both front page being devoted to the Balloon Trackt and Marina Center?".
Actually, I intended to have a post up about the upcoming Times- Standard series on the Marina Center, but blogspot is spazzing out once again and it wouldn't let me post.
I see the first two finally made it. Now I'll try the last one.
What a Relief-Thanks!!
I, too, remember the Redwood Christian School issue well. Having friends who are members we got to hear both sides.
The pastor behaved shamefully and set a terrible example for the children and adults both. Breaking the law while claiming that it's easier to be forgiven than it is to get permission showed him to be a Christian in need of remedial study and training.
No more donations to them for us.
Anyway....the conversation was not originally about Redwood Christian School. But these two local zoning issues may remind us in the future to always have respect for one another (at least in public places) where ummm our voices will be recorded for posterity!
1146, what in the world are you talk about? The fact of the matter is that the school contacted city staff before the playground went in, and the staff said no permit or variance was needed. Later, when Mr. Emery discovered it was in fact needed, the school closed the playground and went through the required public process and got the playground approved. How is that breaking the law?
This blog started out picking on/alternately making excuses for Kaitlin and the Democracy Unlimited Offices as well as pancake feeds in her house.
Now we are talking churches and evil parishioners. If DU doesn't want to become a church they should Not Have To Be One.
Fred-maybe you should keep this one going afterall-people do need to vent.
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I don't know about all that but how bout they move to Arcata? Eureka has enough wierdo's.
They can't afford to buy in Arcata. Without the rooms they rent, they couldn't afford to live in Eureka.
And do they have space for handicap parking at 14th and M?
Someone call Jason Singleton.
They have to have the proper permits, just like anybody else. Nobody sees any irony here regarding their situation and the balloon tract?
How many rooms do they rent ?
I did notice that Demockery is now supporting Republicans on their front lawn.
Group homes are not licensed by the city or county and federal funding would be lost if govt tried to regulate these in any way. Same for Safe and Sobers.
No business license is required to share you house when evryone chips in for rent/utilities that I know of.
It was the headquarters of a business with a traffic impact-it only takes a neighbor or two to complain when that rule is broken, and admitedly-it was broken. They can still live there, share their home with others. Its still a free country...
I don't know why everyone seems to be picking on Kaitlin! Vern Cooney didn't want the seat anymore-he didn't even dust off some old signs to signify he cared. At least she is idealistic and wants to get involved unlike so many people her age.
2:25 wrote, "They can't afford to buy in Arcata. Without the rooms they rent, they couldn't afford to live in Eureka.".
I don't know that it makes much difference, as far as between Eureka and Arcata pricing for houses. There was a story in one of the papers today, I believe it was the Times- Standard, about some kid that moved up here to go to Humboldt State. He supposedly can't find a place to live.
Hard for me to believe, though.
Fred:
Just look at the monthly sales prices and affordability index between Eureka and Arcata. Arcata homes are usually, at least, twice as expensive.
No one has claimed that Democracy Unlimited doesn't have a business license or a permit. So far as I know, they do. The only 'rule' that is at issue here is Municipal Code Section 155-215(A)10, which reads: "A home occupation shall not create pedestrian, automobile, or truck traffic significantly in excess of the normal amount in the district."
Seems highly interprative, don't it? What are the normal traffic counts in that district? What is the specific amount of traffic at their house? How much of that traffic is business, and how much is personal? Where is the line between a 'social visit' and a 'business visit'?
Has Virginia Bass had any campaign meetings at her house? Wouldn't that be a 'Home Occupation' business? Does she have a permit for that business at her residence? How much traffic has been generated? Sounds like Owen is just being petty, and a fool.
I guess the rules and laws of our land don't matter. Only your opinion.
Good thing you're not an elected official.
The city says DU does not have a permit or license.
8:07- From times standard
EUREKA -- Democracy Unlimited will have to move its headquarters after Matthew Owen, the husband of mayoral candidate Virginia Bass, complained to the city about its operating without a permit in a residential area of the city.
This seems relevant too:
(7) A home occupation shall not create any radio or television interference or create noise audible beyond the boundaries of the site.
Kaitlan, the one who ramroded Measure T, tells us all how we should live our lives has to take in boarders and have pancake breakfasts to get by ????? There are jobs all over Eureka, but of course she won't work for less that $50,000 a year for a part time job. She's a bum.
Gee. You'd think they up and killed somebody with all the vitriol in this thread.
I guess the rules and laws of our land don't matter. Only your opinion.
After 145 posts someone actually bothers to cite the relevant municipal code, and that is how you respond? Did you even think before writing that?
The assertion that they do not have a conditional-use permit assumes that they actually need one. Unless their home business creates "traffic significantly in excess of" normal, then they do not. Again, "significantly in excess" is highly interperative.
It seems to me that those who are loudly thumping their chests about the law know little about it, and care even less.
Booooo
How about they move to Rio Dell ? Right by the river, they'd love it.
How bout Cobb and Kaitlin fade away into obscurity just like shawn warford and michael smith.
10:24 -
(B) Applications. Applications for home occupation permits shall be made to the Director of Community Development on forms prescribed by the Planning Commission. The Director shall issue a permit upon determining that the proposed home occupation meets all of the requirements of this subchapter. The permit shall become void, and the home occupation shall be removed one year following the date on which the permit was issued unless the permit is renewed prior to expiration. Pre-existing home occupations shall require home occupation permits after October 16, 1967. ('63 Code, § 10-5.1902)
(Ord. 80-C.S., passed 10-16-66; Am. Ord. 589-C.S., passed 2-21-95) Penalty, see § 150.999
10:24 quotes the code: "Again, "significantly in excess" is highly interperative.".
I don't know if non- profits need a permit if they get insignificant traffic. I suspect they do. I think businesses do, even if you're just doing business selling things on the home computer (it would be difficult for the city to catch you doing that, though).
But this is highly interperative as you say. I'm sure some households generate more traffic with family and friends than some businesses, or in this case, a non- profit, do.
I'll admit to not living in the neighborhood of DU, but I drive by there probably once a week. I don't believe I've ever seen more than two cars parked out in front of that house.
Then why didn't the City of Eureka grant DU their conditional use permit?
Oh, I might mention I've heard there's an ordinance, or some such, in Eureka that says you can't have something like more than two or four yard sales a year. I'm not sure I really have a problem with that, especially as it doesn't seem to be enforced all that often.
I did notice some people move into a house on Henderson Street some time ago. Seemed like right off the bat the gal would be laying stuff out in her yard nearly every morning to sell. I'm guessing the city finally got on her case as she stopped doing it all of the sudden, or so it seemed to me.
I'm not sure anybody wants a yard sale going on next door five days a week. Understandable problem there. Interesting thing was, I don't recall ever seeing anyone stopping to check out her wares, so I don't know that she really caused any traffic problems.
Then, a couple months ago, my next door neighbor had stuff laying out in her yard for three or four days in a row trying to sell stuff. People were stopping for her. I was hoping this wasn't going to be a regular thing, although I wasn't planning on squealing on her if it was.
Luckily, once she got most of her stuff sold, she stopped the yard sales.
I don't know that I care about a lot of these ordinances if they're rarely enforced. I don't like the idea of neighbors using ordinances just to hassle each other.
Oh, and as yet another aside: I've heard that there's some guy in Eureka that does a lot of yard sales. I was under the impression that's how he made his living.
To get around the yard sale ordinances, I guess he'd pay people to let him run his yard sale at their house. I only know that cause I met a guy that used to live on Henderson Street and he had a yard sale one day, with a bunch of stuff I couldn't believe was his. He told me some guy paid him for use of his yard.
I never asked if it was a fixed fee or a percentage of the sales that the property owner received.
Frequent yard sales do signify having a busines and that would require a business license and a permit Fred-an 'antiques' store or 'rummage' does matter. TGhey need to locate in a business district.
Henderson Center is a really tight area-a psycologist spent over a year trying to get his business license and he was required to have handicap parking.
The thing is not that there isn't very much traffic and this is subjective-the thing is...they didn't go through the process and ask about a business license/permit, go to hearings etc like everyone else.
If the neighbors DID NOT have a problem, they would have been able to submit their approval most likely-but No One Asked.
Wow everybody, what's that hassle....All we were trying to do is share skills with our fellow citizens. Come join us. You can teach us how to change a bicycle flat tire and we'll show you how to divide a county and take down "the man". Corporations are so icky.
Maybe Kaitlan can get a job washing dishes until Home Depot gets in ?
Maybe she can go work under the table at Organically Delicious.
Jim Ferguson, of Organically Delicious is now Virginia's campaign manager.
Would that need Virginia's ok?
yeah, Kaitlin can work right along side Charles. who wants to wager who stabs who with silverware first?
Thank Tracey Herrin located at 917 3rd Street, in Eureka for providing free DSL internent service to Charles Douglas who does not work. He lives in his office down the hall from her and only pays $150.00 for rent with drug money, money borrowed or stolen. His online business is a scam. Both Tracey Herrin and Peter Martin, attorneys at law, are aware of Charle's conduct and ethics. They have empowered and enabled him.
Now we can all start picking on Peter LaVallee (see Buhne Tribune) for the October surprise he gave Virginia Bass.
Thanks Peter fot taking the high road and pointing out a flaw in someone actually running for something-oh that's right your opponent!! She filed an amended candidate statement and now you want her to disclose how many flights she has taken on the Arkley jet to make her look bad?
We're not upset-we're jealous. We didn't get to see the inside of their jet...gee Virginia must be pretty special to get to fly on it. And that makes you pretty angry and left out huh?! Poor Peter.
Too bad 'pulling a Salzman' at the last minute makes you the guy holding the stinky!
Charles as usual you are so full of shit.
No one mentioned ? Are they going to have a pancake feed this month?
I prefer maple syrup.
Weight restrictions on the Arkley jet are probably keeping Peter off-maybe he should just ask for their flight manifest?
What are the chances they would publish some pictures of the plane so Peter won't feel so left out-you know 'mom got to go on a business trip and all I got was this t-shirt'...
Let me get this straight. The gal behind the big Measure T push, the one that gave speeches with Paul Gallegos in support of Measure T rents rooms out of her house and has monthly pancake breakfasts to get by ????? Can this be true. Hell lady if we had some more corporations maybe even someone like you could get a job!
http://www.duhc.org/upcomingEvents.html
Sunday, November 19th - Humboldt Exchange Pancake Breakfast
10:00am to noon - DUHC Headquarters (1402 M Street in Eureka)
The Humboldt Exchange Community Currency Project hosts a monthly pancake breakfast for the community. This is an opportunity for folks already involved with the Exchange to come and meet each other and for new folks to come and find out more about the project.
If you have goods or services for which you'd be willing to accept Community Currency, you will also have the opportunity to offer them to folks at the breakfast. Items ususally sold at the breakfast include organic, free-range eggs, hand-made soaps and lotions, fresh-baked bread, herbal tinctures, and whatever you might have to offer!
Please join us for yummy food and a good time. If you would like to help cook up the breakfast please contact the Humboldt Exchange - info@HumboldtExchange.org or 476-8475.
These breakfasts are held at DUHC Headquarters: 1402 M Street, Eureka on the third Sunday of every month.
Curious whether the Humboldt County Department of Health granted a permit for this ongoing public breakfast?
Where did Matt Owen go? We know he checks (and usually posts to) these blogs - are we supposed to believe that he didn't weigh in on his current little pet project. C'mon Matt - fight fair, let us know how many of the anon comments above were written by you...
Matt Owen is out ratting on every parent who is handing out candy and baked goods without a permit from the health department.
Pretty tacky taking shots at Kaitlin anonymously. Slimey if you ask me.
There is some tie between the T-S , Neely and government grants . Neely is tied to the RCAA and i found , David Lippman of the T-S name pop up went i did some investigating into our City recieving governmental grants and if that's not enough , Jill Geist , a member of the rcaa endorses , Bass .Hmmmmmmm , seems like they are all tied together whom our infamous Mayor is also part of the RCAA. Funny thing 'cause the T-S is endorsing all those who work for the RCAA to bring more shelters into , Eureka . Easy brainer . Just go figure . It's BIG money for them to foul up our City some more .
Man, DUHC Headquarters - I thought they had a big office, a storefront like the HCDCC at least, this is just too-o-o-o-o-o fun-ny! Out of their house. Talk about the great and powerful OZ behind the curtain a scared chubby little man with nothing to show for his life. Hilarious.
8:42 We know it's you, Droz.
Please use spellcheck.
The pancake breakfast cost is in their community currency. i don't think that is how kaitlan makes her money.
and what is the problem with having roommates? my daughter just bought a house and to help make the note she has a roommate - and because the house is too big for just her.
i drive my that house on 14th street all the time. it is huge! it would be wasteful to have only 1 person living there.
ha hahahahahahah!
Matt Owen is hiding his face now because of his wife's blunder that is now all over the papers. Peter may have sounded whiny yesterday but Andy bitch-slapped Virginia today!
You thought you were so smart quietly leaking the story to the Eureka Reporter last week and trying to clean up the mess before anyone would notice. Nice try.
ha hahahahahahah!
What goes around comes around Matt. How do you feel about your preachy "everyone needs to follow the rules" now?! hypocrite!
8:25 wrote, "and what is the problem with having roommates?".
Indeed. Nowadays, with the price of rentals, people have no choice but to have people sharing the rent, which causes it's own share of problems.
I know one place on I street was for rent for something like $1500. Few people could afford a place like that. Ended up a bunch of college students rented it. Instead of the one or two cars that used to be parked there under the prior owner, there ended up being like five or six. Made it a real pain for me to park around there sometimes.
We know it's you , Bass ..........you need to be an english teacher since you are not at all qualified to be a Mayor . Having more signs than Lievallee does not qualify you , either !
11:47 - you are obviously disturbed. I do like the "LieVallee" though...never thought of it before and it is very descriptive and revealing.
Although I can't vote for her because I am outside the city limits, Bass seems the most honest, reasonable and respectable of the choices.
11:47 - are you Bird, Sleazman or Kerrigan?
No, it is Droz. Droz is always the one with the wacky comments and the bad spelling.
Hey Kaitlan, can I put in a request for swedish pancakes? Or is that over your culinary abilities ?
You can tell it's Droz by his (space - comma/period) , spelling.
The point is that Virginia, when asked about a possible mistake in her FPPC filings-looked into the matter. Rather than split hairs and whine about it like the Democracy Unlimited apologists-she took action and corrected the paperwork EVEN THOUGH she had done nothing wrong to begin with.
Kaitlin having roommates and pancake breakfasts to make ends meet was not the issue-THE ISSUE: was that a business that SHOULD HAVE ASKED about permits in a residential neighborhood and DID NOT ASK about permits-and WOULD NOT have received a permit for meetings/pancake breakfasts from the City of Eureka because of the traffic impacts—did it anyway and is now MAKING EXCUSES instead of fixing the problem.
Go ahead and blame people for blowing the whistle if you like-it just makes you look badder than usual to try and make an issue... when Virginia already fixed her paperwork and it wasn’t a true violation in the first place. It looks totally desperate, makes Peter look like he thinks he’s losing THAT BADLY which now-he is. He could have at least made a face saving showing before all the crap you tried to pull. BUT NO-OOOO! Let’s gamble big time and go down in flames! You guys crapped out finally-it’s a JOY to watch you fall!
Sounds to me like Bass is following the rules.
Sleazeman bitches and whines louder to the media 'cuz he didn't get his way.
God forbid you get reelected Little Petey, then you got Sleazeman showing up at your office telling you how to run the city.
Just ask Supervisor Jill Giest how she handled the Sleaze.
I guess we can't talk about the issues in this town.
4:08 wrote, "THE ISSUE: was that a business that SHOULD HAVE ASKED about permits in a residential neighborhood and DID NOT ASK about permits-and WOULD NOT have received a permit for meetings/pancake breakfasts from the City of Eureka because of the traffic impacts."
Except this wasn't a business, per se, and they didn't have a whole lot of traffic.
God forbid you want to have some activities at your house.
Come on Fred do you have monthly pancake feeds at your place ? It's not a normal neigborhood activity. Not like having a birthday party, a baby shower, a poker game.
Forget about your Tuperware partys Fred. And no more NASCAR sundays.
I have absolutely NO INTEREST in NASCAR. I feel safe in saying there's probably nothing that interests me less.
Virginia Bass is Cherie Arkley's tool. Take any free plane rides lately, Virginia? Republicans aren't just stupid, they're really stupid!
Virginia Bass is pathetic and a city-wide joke. No wonder the Arkleys love her ($$$$$) so much.
I agree. How did Bass get elected in the first place? What a disgrace........
The Bass asses hate democracy, unless the Arkleys buy the election for her!
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