Tuesday, October 31, 2006

Prison Guards Stop Transfers

This just in from the Sacramento Bee (as usual, if asked for login, humboldtlib is the username, blogspot is the password) : Looks like the California Correctional Peace Officer's Association, among others, filed a lawsuit to stop the transfer of our prison inmates to out of state prisons- the transfers being done to alleviate prison overcrowding that poses a threat to both the prisoners and their guards.

Just goes to show, as far as I'm concerned, that the CCPOA is one of the most dangerous public employee unions California has.

I know many on all sides of the political spectrum have problems with outsourcing of jobs out of state or overseas. Regardless, I'm wondering if we should take outsourcing one step further in the case of prison inmates?

How about we see if neighboring countries, like Mexico, wouldn't mind housing some of our inmates until their time is up? Oh, I know we've heard horror stories about Mexican prisons, but recently I've read otherwise.

I read somewhere that the Mexican criminal justice system is pretty informal with their prisons informal and less restrictive as well. I would think an American inmate might prefer to be in a prison where he might not be stuck in a cell so much of the time, assuming that's true.

Not only that but we could save all kinds of money. We could probably house an inmate there for a quarter of the cost, or even less, than what we pay in California. Hey, everything's cheaper in Mexico.

This might also open up some decent- at least by Mexican standards- paying jobs, thus keeping a few border crossers inside Mexico rather than trying to come here for work.

I think this is a great idea, but I'm willing to have anyone play the devil's advocate and tell me why it won't work. I can think of one reason it probably won't work right now: The California Correctional Peace Officer's Association wouldn't allow it.

11 Comments:

At 9:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lots of states "outsource" prisoners. Some small states, rural make pretty good money housing other states inmates. I know of at least two instances, maybe 20 years ago were California prison system prisoners were housed in Nevada.

And the prison guard union is very powerful. And the prison guards make very good money because of it.

 
At 10:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee Fred-Why don't we just line 'em up and shoot them, that would be cheaper still.

 
At 9:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting idea. Isn't that how Australia became "colonized" with prisoners being shipped from England?

 
At 12:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we have ourselves a regular genius! Golly jeepers Fred, if you got a dime for every good idea you have...

 
At 12:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred's never met a dumb idea he didnt like.

 
At 1:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's annex Mexico. We could leave the worst offenders (tax cheats, govt dissenters, etc) to die in the desert

 
At 8:50 AM, Anonymous mresquan said...

Fred,A ferw years back when you were running for a board seat for the libertarian party,on your smartvoters page you say you are worried about the increasing presence of the police state.Has your opinion changed here?You've justified two suspect shootings by the police department,and now you seem to be endorsing the expansion of the police state/prison industrial complex into neighboring countries.
This crap here is ludicrous.Decriminalze drugs and we'll have more than enough space to hold inmates which are truly dangerous and need to be locked up.

 
At 10:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the cops don't want you to vote to increase the cigarette tax cuz it would make cigs more valuable and increase cigarette -related crimes.

But they stand wholeheartedly FOR the crazy laws that criminalize cannabis.

What a bunch of shits.

 
At 10:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

> Let's annex Mexico. We could leave the worst offenders (tax cheats, govt dissenters, etc) to die in the desert

tax cheats and government dissenters are the worst offenders?????


OK

that sounds good!
GO GET CHENEY AND BUSH!

 
At 10:45 AM, Blogger Fred said...

esquan writes, "You've justified two suspect shootings by the police department,and now you seem to be endorsing the expansion of the police state/prison industrial complex into neighboring countries.".

Which shootings did I justify? I don't recall making any comments on the Moore shooting, although maybe I'm just not remembering correctly.

The Burgess shooting I don't believe I justified. I just said I wondered if the folks in Juvenile Hall were breathing a sigh of relief not having to deal with him anymore. I don't know if that's the case, or not.

Spreading the Prison- Industrial Complex to other countries? Well, it seems to me it might be cheaper to send prisoners to countries than other states.

As far as decriminalizing drugs, agreed, perhaps. It would certainly let us separate the wheat from the chaff and see who really needs to be imprisoned. But you'd have to look at the numbers. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if the empty beds from the druggies would just be filled by giving more time to other convicts, or putting people who are currently on parole in prison.

I know that's kinda how Juvenile Hall was working when I worked there. We were almost always packed. I remember one of us asking past Chief Probation Officer, Bill Burke, something along that line. He was Supervising Juvenile Intake Officer at the time.

He told us even if we magically got rid of half our population all of the sudden, there were still dozens of kids that had commitments to Juvenile Hall. They were just waiting in line.

 
At 10:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and get wolford , rodini , neely , bass , lavallee and the rcaa regime , too !

 

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