Saturday, December 30, 2006

Polly Endert

Polly sounds like a great choice to me. It will be interesting to see what Glass and Kerrigan have to say about her.


At 11:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can be sure they will be up all weekend studying/cramming to see what if anything they could possibly use against her since it doesn't fit the agenda to cave too soon.

But when it comes down to brass tacks-they have to admit she IS the best choice and they might as well go along with it. An election is uncontrollable; at least Chris and Larry can rest easy that a diverse group chose her above all interested others. After interviewing her, they can do the same without losing face.

At 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares what Chris thinks? Does Chris have a job yet or is he in his 8th year at HSU ?

At 1:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris has shown his true colors and that his opinions are provided for him. What he doesn't understand is that the power play is over. It failed.

So if, in a last gasp Salzmanesque brinksmanship play, he throttles the process, he will once and for all prove that the interests of the people of the City are subordinate to his political ambitions and those of his cronies.

This is a test of character. Any odds on how it will go?

At 2:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris has been the most independent thinker on the city council, and definitely NOT someone manipulated by outside forces. If he doesn't vote the way you like, it will not prove anything other than his opinion on this one vote. It will go as always.

At 2:35 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Chris as been bought and paid for by local special interest groups.

At 2:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear fred,

i love you daddy.please put down the bottle.

your forgotten daughter

At 2:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh pulleeeese 2:12....

Have you been paying attention?

Or have you been smoking from Chris' bong?

Independent? Sheesh.

Tell me about Salzman, Cobb, Miller and the "send me a council that will work with me" mentality. What arrogant brio. Sure thing...that's in the best interest of the whole community. They're all just good citizens aren't they? Ones who wouldn't know independence or the truth if it smacked tham in the ass. They just want to win more no less.

So will your boy go down on an opportunity to end the rancor...or will his independent thinking allow him to go against the progressive grain? Hardly.

At 2:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I think that "It will go as always" is what a lot of people fear.

Hell...even Chris admits his alliances.

At 3:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does Chris do?

At 3:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's Kerrigan and Associates.

A political consulting firm. He made a bundle on the last election, with the "slate." Lost most of 'em but, it might explain one of the reasons he so strongly supports a special election.....


At 4:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good to know that others see Kerrigan for what he is.

At 4:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Virginia invited interested people to apply, and put together a pretty impressive team (that included Ron Kuhnel) to interview them ... took their recommendations (after not participating in the interviews), and made a decision. Sounds pretty fair to me.

Any move by Kerrigan to stymie the process will look pretty stupid.

At 4:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:12 you live in a dream land. Chris is NOT an independent thinker!! He'll do what ever he is told is best for his political career.

At 4:57 PM, Blogger Fred said...

2:44 wrote,"signed,your forgotten daughter".

I wish.

At 5:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glass and Kerigan are the only hope Eureka has

They'll see through this shame of a committee and the pre-desitined apointee.

It's a set up and larry and Chris will set it right.

We need a special election and they'll make sure we get one

At 5:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 5:52 - You are an idiot. This post almost seems like it was written by Chris Kerrigan.

At 8:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, certainly what Larry Glass has said in the press is encouraging. He wants to talk to her..but face it, if it's "election only" for Larry and Chris, theyve been taken to school by Bass, as the bipartisan committee has chosen and she can rightly say that she tried for consensus, and cast a tie breaking vote; as someone else mentioned, if the Neal Latts of the world try and take it to court, they are shooting themselves in the foot, tieing this up in court only gives Virginia a tie breaking vote on many important issues that come before the council until its settled by the courts (assuming things split 2-2)...

At 9:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not impressed with Glass but he seems head and shoulders above Kerrigan.

At 11:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly right 8:51

Bass gives them no place to go....Kerrigan will still no avail.

Legal opinions notwithstanding. The work of the City has to go way or another.

Either the lawyers run it or the Mayor runs it.

What's your pick?

At 1:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Theyre dead in the water. But technically, from what I gather, the charter probably is in there favor. Technically. Of course theres alot wrong with the charter, namely the ward system. But theyre dead - they just probably dont know it.

At 7:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's think about this...

If Latt's attorney is correct, then the Mayor can break any tie but to appoint her own replacement (or perhaps any council member). The alternative is special election - right?

But, special elections are the exclusive purview of "the council." So the Mayor would decide the tie breaker on any special election - just like she already has done. So...

If she cannot break a tie on the appointment and she does break the time on special election - she can sit basically forever casting the tie breaking vote on every issue before the council.

Why would the drafters of the charter allow such a situation? They didn’t.

Latt is just trying to apply pressure - trying to spin the issue. On issue that his lawyer already told him he's lost.

At 7:52 AM, Blogger Fred said...

"If she cannot break a tie on the appointment and she does break the time on special election - she can sit basically forever casting the tie breaking vote on every issue before the council.".

Good point.

At 9:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any criticism of the charter is good criticism from my point of view. But Glass and Kerrigan are in over their heads on this. Its to complicated to explain and people are fatigued by Eureka politics. They will go down as obstructionists.

At 10:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are sure a lot of people on this blog who seem to believe that Eureka should be owned and operated by big outside money interests like Target and Home Depot. If you want to lose any semblance of LOCAL control, just let those predatory pirates take over your city! At least Larry and Chris understand that Eureka means ALL OF US, not just Arkley and the BIG $$$$ machine.

At 10:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Target and Homo Depot only compete really in specific area's. Glass has been effected because Target sells CD's... but then again so has that place at the mall, and for about a decade now. Home depot is the same thing excpet peirsons has a virtual monopoly on the market. This argument for local control has run its course. It wont be the end for piersons, thats overly dramatic.

At 10:42 AM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Piersons must be shitting themselves over the new Alumquest (sp) lumber right outside Arcata then.

At 11:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazingly, the committee process went pretty much how it was advertised: fair and as objective as possible. In a secret ballot vote, nearly all of them, including Kuhnel, chose the same three people: Endert, Post and Albin. To her credit, Bass chose a candidate who might seem to project a moderating influence on the council balance - although time will tell. Whether Latt's solicitation of a legal opinion had its intended effect on Bass's selection, we may never know. However, certainly more reactionary choices presented themselves of the eleven applicants (Flemming & Rien, to just name the first two to come to mind). Cheers to the New Spirit of Cooperation!

At 11:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting theory 7:47.

Makes about as much sense as anything else.

But isn't the obstructionist strategy to stall the process until after the 30 days elapse and then press the case for an automatic special election?

You are so right 9:53. People just want an end to this nonsense...Kerrigan and Glass will push one last feeble attempt to get their way, when they couldn't get it legitimately.


At 12:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They always build this stuff up. The North Coast Journal likes to dramatize everything. Salzman, Keriigan, Bohn. Thats what they do, stir up the pot and stand back and let their paper sell. Kerrigan and Glass will not do this, they may wish they could, they can dream. But the reality is they would lose what little credibility they have left - and Glass is just getting started!

Bass will get her appointment in, and chris and larry will be in the minority their entire council careers. Its really boringly predictable.

At 1:05 PM, Blogger Fred said...

Probably the better way to say it would be predictably boring?

At 1:12 PM, Blogger Fred said...

10:20 wrote, "big outside money interests like Target and Home Depot. If you want to lose any semblance of LOCAL control, just let those predatory pirates take over your city!".

Please refresh my memory, 10:20;

We've had big boxes here for years: Sears, Longs Drugs, Rite Aid (formerly Payless), Montgomery Wards, J.C. Penney's, the list goes on. Some are still here. Some went by the wayside.

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but I can't think of any instance where the owners or shareholders of those companies lobbied the city council to get laws changed or tried to run any other companies out of business in all the time they were in Eureka.

At 1:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to agree with you 12:43....except for the "let their paper sell" part. Afterall they're a freebie and as "priceless" as the ER.

But, you are right on about the drama. They all give a lot of attention to irresponsible "spokespersons" with questionable credentials and no discernable constituency in obvious PR stunts....ala Latt.

You put a little lipstick on the pig of the "Eureka Civic Association" with all of its membership of...what? three? Buy a legal opinion and the media sucks it up.

Kerrigan squandered his credibility long ago. His purchase price was obvious. And that's sad because he's a bright kid and if he put his talent to getting things done instead of self-serving political mystique and manipulation, he would be cherished. I mean, what about this last gasp special election stunt? Not only does he hope to get one final desperate bite at the apple, but he get's his little political consulting business a sweet paycheck in what would surely be a big money campaign.

Glass will get to show his colors early in this. Is he truly a stooge? Or can he make an independent decision?

As Buhne would say.....developing

At 1:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Pierson is the one obvious exception to that.

i do differ with the conventional wisdom though. I don't think its because Bill P is greedy. He has all of the money he will ever need. I just think its a control thing, to remain that big dog in a little kennel.

But, there are a lot of builders who would love to avoid the shipping costs from outside the area for materials if there was some true competition in the local market.

At 2:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does Bill P make a year? $8 million a year profit? $10 million?

Maybe Home Depot would stop him from making his goal of $1 million profit every month.

At 2:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:14 and fred,

"they're a freebie "

Thats true, but I mean noteriety and recognition I guess. The NCJ I think has had to fight for relevance, particularly since so much juicy politics happens in Eureka, which is now a two paper town.

I am personally not a fan of Salzman, I think he is self centered. But I believe the way NCJ covered his letter writing was kinda cruel. Was it really some giant controversy? The first thing they do is build the guy up as the Karl Rove of Humboldt county (Which like Karl Rove, its all just a reputation, which in politics is important). So they build him up only to tear him down. It's classic. I mean, something like that should have been settled off the record. But NCJ just cant help but stir the pot. But they did it intentionally because the story also dragged in Rob Arkley - And remember the email confrontation Arkley and Salzman got into. Neither man came out looking good. The NCJ just loves the drama, and stokes it. It needs to in order to stay relevant.

I could cite many many more cases such as this, but I stopped reading that paper a while back because I found it out. A bunch of drama queens, trying to pit conservatives and liberals against each other at any opportunity.

At 2:21 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

The amount of jobs a home depot would make would be amazing. Everything has to be trucked into this area, so you'd have drivers, mechs, maybe another truck stop or fueling in the area. Then you'd have people in the store working, most likely a 24 hour a day thing, restocking, unloading, cleaning etc etc. Ad space would be bought, rents would be paid, people would get off the dole, and little fairies would dance in the street. Move next door to best buy and you have the same thing. Plus we would be able to hold on to some of our computer nerds, as they wouldn't have to leave the area to get a tech job. (Doesn't Best Buy have a repair center for computers?)

I'm not saying everybody will be rich, but I'm sure people working is better then people not working. I could be wrong though.

And let's not even think about how much money could be made if a local company built the damn place.

At 2:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The NCJ just loves the drama"

They have often walked a fine line with tabloid journalism. Sims has a very active imagination.

At 2:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


With respect...Salzman is a liar and a cheat.

His letters spoke to integrity and honor, he attempted to command the high road with low blows and became exposed for what he is. He blissfully condemned his opponents with innuendo and lies. He counted on the lack of attention on the part of the voting public and capitalized on scare tactics. He purposely divided a community to benefit himself.

Richard Salzman represents everything that is wrong with contemporary democracy. Lot's of hype, loads of money and no accountability.

He got what he deserved.

And now his boy, Kerrigan, thinks the same disingenuious stunts will pay off for his consulting the way Chris....just who are the "Associates?" Mr. special election is just looking for a new client and a happy commission. Enough is enough.

The NCJ should be commended for exposing this fraud.

At 2:59 PM, Anonymous Mark Lovelace said...

Anon.r.mous, that's nice thinking but its unsupported by research. The items sold at a Home Depot will not be in addition to the exisiting market. Rather, they will take their sales from existing stores. In other words, a sink sold at Home Depot is one-less sink sold by North Bay Plumbing, a sheet of plywood sold at Home Depot is one-less sheet sold at Myrtletown Lumber, and a lawn-mower from Home Depot is one less from Miller Farms. The volume of goods will remain basically the same, the volume of sales will remain the same, and the volume of sales tax revenues will remain the same.

Most notably, the amount of expendable income which people have will remain the same. Unless people have more money in their pockets, they simply will be unable to buy more products. This is why retail is called a "zero-sum game". New retail outlets add nothing to the local economy; they just shift money around. In this case, a new Home Depot will shift up to 75% of Eureka's paint, flooring, hardware, yard care and building materials sales away from locally-owned businesses and into one mega-retailer.

A Home Depot will not provide any additional jobs, and will likely result in a net loss of jobs. Eureka's sales tax revenues are unlikely to change. If there is an increase in advertising sales, it will be money out of the hands of local stores, cutting their margins ever thinner and making them less able to compete. Do you think Home Depot will use local resources for their advertising? Hah!

It is fine to call for more jobs, better wages, more tax revenues, and more competition in the local market. Just understand that a Home Depot will bring none of these.

At 3:00 PM, Blogger Fred said...

1:21 wrote, "Pierson is the one obvious exception to that.".

Keep in mind I was referring to "big boxes" owned out of town, not local businesses.

But now that you mention it, I'm wondering how many local businesses try and stop other businesses from coming to town. Did any of the local pharmacies try to stop Walgreens from coming in? I'm not sure. I didn't hear of them doing so.

At 3:14 PM, Blogger Fred said...

Lovelace wrote, "A Home Depot will not provide any additional jobs, and will likely result in a net loss of jobs. Eureka's sales tax revenues are unlikely to change.".

I understand what you're saying, Mark. It seems to make sense. I'm not sure that it happens that way in the real world, as strange as that may seem.

Look at Walgreens: Eureka's just gotten not one, but two of them. Yet Rite Aid, Longs and even the other small local pharmacies still keep on going. Walgreens has hired a whole bunch of people for jobs that weren't there before, at least not with Walgreens.

These silly drive thru coffee places: I would of thought some of them would be biting the bullet and shutting down by now, even without Starbucks, since there's so many of them. Yet they keep popping up all over the place and I always see cars at their drive thru windows.

Makes no sense because, to paraphrase what you've already said, only so many people are going to be buying prescription drugs or coffee on a given day and one more place selling the same thing would seem to just take from the pre- existing businesses, yet they keep going.

I'm sure some will say, "Just you wait. It takes time for these businesses to take their toll...".

Yet, I was reading something about some city up in Washington. It was saying that, despite a number of Starbucks having moved into the city, the smaller mom and pop coffee places weren't just getting along, they were thriving.

Seems to almost defy logic, probably because there are other variables at work we're not taking into account- increasing population perhaps being one.

At 3:38 PM, Anonymous Mous Anony said...

Ah yes, but you are missing one important element. The people WANT a Home Depot and a Target and Starbucks.
Do you think these companies would even nose around these premises unless they could make a buck? Look at the lines of cars around any local Starbucks. Look at the full parking lot at Target. Look at the THIRD Walgreens being built in Humboldt County down in Fortuna. Do not blame the corporations....blame the consumer. Make a plea to the consumer to spend their hard earned money at a local shop. It will more than likely fall on deaf ears. The majority of people want what these large retailers are offering. Will I go into Home Depot?
Nope. They don't interest me. I will shop at Myrtletowne Lumber or Piersons or Hensells. But, alas, I am not Joe Public.

Oh, and by the way, Home Depot will most definitely buy advertising in the local market, through their national advertising rep firms. Count on it.

At 3:46 PM, Blogger Anon.R.mous said...

Mark Lovelace said...

Anon.r.mous, that's nice thinking but its unsupported by research.

Mark, are you high? Home Depot will lower the total costs of some items so that more people can buy said items. Target hasn't killed Longs, Longs, hasn't killed Staples, Staples hasn't killed McKinleyville Office Supply. You think Home Depot will move 75% of the items around in Eureka? What about in Humboldt County? Platt and Camptons hasn't run Pierson out of Business, nor has Pierson run North Bay out of Business, even though they cover the same areas. Hell, how many lumber companies do we have in Humboldt county selling lumber to builders? (I don't mean Simpson or PL)

I'd like to see how Home Depot would be able to run a ad in the local paper without paying the local paper money. Maybe Home Depot will bring in it's own newspaper and put the TS and ER under too, while somehow putting The Works under without selling a single CD!

But to really hammer the point home, if the products cost less, the same people with the same amount of money will be able to buy more. You are so scared of improving Humboldt County, you'd much rather see it lay in ruin then get improved. That's the real truth.

I mean Fred, would you find it cheaper to get a lawnmower local right now, or at a home depot in the city?

(Does Home Depot carry Lawnmowers?)

At 4:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Once again, Mark demonstrates his command of statistics...Benjamin Disreali had a comment about that. You know..."There are lies, damn lies and statistics."

Mark means well, but he is a little too surgical in his analyses and even he will admit he is not without an agenda.

He's right that there is a finite, retail pie to be divided. What Mark doesn't seem to want to consider is that there is tremendous leakage in durables from out of the marketplace. Oh and, by definition, Piersons, is a big box and if you think that all the profits stay in the local area, you should check on his investors.

More than that, there is a margin advantage that drives up the cost of constuction and correspondingly housing prices because of limited competition for supplies and materials in the local area. Most, can save money by trucking materials and supplies from Redding, Ukiah, Santa Rosa and, to a limited extent, the sales tax free Oregon.

Mark is on an ideological mission and he is a bit disingenuious about his concern for smaller businesses. You see, they have to be competitive within the scope of the marketplace, regional or otherwise. Then there is the local competition and the municipal follies for sales tax revenues. That's another pie that Mark opts to ignore.

Builders and consumers are already making major purchases online or from the Home Depot in Cresent City.

So the question becomes, is (the articulate) Mark just categorically opposed to major development, why doesn't the Watershed Council support a proposal that will result in the state required multi-regulated clean up of a toxic site and, just how is his heartfelt concern about small business motivated?

I like Mark a lot. And I admire his dedication to the cause....but I don't take much of him at face value. So, Mark would protect Myrtletown Lumber from the beast?

C'mon dude, if MTL isn't competitive in the regional marketplace they'll get hammered by any price-point competitor within driving range. So, you'll protect the local guy from the Fortuna Walmart then? Can't wait to see that.

But then, as much as I admire Mark, I sometimes have to shake my head at his narrowly defined, self serving logic.

At 4:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Anon and 4:13! In addition to the leakage, with lower prices more people will be able to afford those goods. Somehow that escapes the lefties. I wonder, how do they justify pricing the poorer folks out of the market? That just does not seem progressive to me.

At 4:39 PM, Blogger Carol Ann said...

anon.r.mous said "and little fairies would dance in the street"

Now that is a stre-t-ch.

At 4:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


That's it exactly. Mark just can't lose his mantel as the champion of the small and meek, when he himself has never managed a budget or signed the front side of a paycheck.

His cause is much larger than his information.

At 5:48 PM, Blogger Carol Ann said...

You know, I wasn't going to write on this post, because some of you anons merrily smear people and ruin a chance at a decent discussion. It's like I walk into a room and some you guys are pissing all over yourselves. I want to walk out so I don't get pissed on. It is a form of bullying and intimidation and I just want to call you on it!

Mark Lovelace does his homework and has the guts to use his own name. You can smear him under your cloak of anonymity or pseudoname and think you are oh so clever. It is cowardly behavior.

At 5:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And further more . . this discussion was about Mayor Bass appointing Polly Endert to fill the 2nd Ward vacancy. Ms. Endert appears to be the best choice. We don't know how any of the city council members will vote. Let's not damn them before they have a chance.

At 6:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry to provoke you so much carol ann

I think I was fairly clear in stating my admiration for Mark...for the same reasons you note.

I just don't happen to agree with him.

I can't post with my name because you know it and it would compromise my ability to do....what I do.

It was in no way a smear. Just an honest disagreement.

If that offends you, say so. If you do...I won't comment again.

Your call.

No piss here just a wish to have a lively dialogue.

So go ahead and vote

YES - This Anonymmous ahole has no business expressing an opinion on anything and should forever keep silent.

NO - I'd like to hear more from this Anonymous ahole.

Up to you Carol

At 6:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you my friend, are once again totally full of it..where are the smears? All I have seen with regards to Mark Lovelace's comments have been reasonable responses, no smears at all. Show me a smear, c'mon now show me. If Mark is going to use these stats, and people bring up leakage to other areas, how the heck is that a smear. So typical of you to accuse without any substance...sure, there will be wingnuts out there on all sides of the debate, but all I have seen here have been intelligent responses to Mark's post. Of course, any kind of an answer that doesnt tow the line with your particular thought process somehow becomes a smear...come on now, you're better than that...
you and greg up for a cup of joe sometime, or are you still in need of stronger libation?

At 6:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not asking you to stop commenting anonymously. But would you write your comment so venomously if you signed your name to it? I don't mind lively discussion either. It can be great entertainment!

I know how it feels to have anons people attack you as I've been called names on the blogg-o-sphere. Prior to going public, I even posted anonymously and under 'Ginger' once or twice.

It is quite liberating to go public with your identity. I can really be me. I can really be honest. It is freeing. Less baggage. You might give it a try.

At 6:28 PM, Blogger Brian Morrissey said...

Happy New Year folks!

As for Ms. Endert, I hope she keeps an open mind.

As for Mark Lovelace's comments above, I have a two notes:

1) Mark is a well-meaning and smart man. He is a quick study on issues that become important to him. Personally, I like Mark and I wish he would support the Marina Center project.

2) Mark's comments, while spoken with authority, are just a guess. We have paid for an extremely complete economic study that will show the effects of our project on Eureka. I expect there will be economic impacts to Eureka, both positive and negative. I hope that soon the facts – including the economic impacts – will be available to everyone. Then Mark and I and everyone will be able to discuss and judge Marina Center from a common set of facts. Until those facts are public – we are all just guessing.

At 6:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHo are you, Paul? Greg and I are not going to meet you for a cup o' jo or irish coffee, until I know who you are. As I said before, contact Greg either through our blog or call us at the office. The number is in the phonebook.

Happy New Year to you, Brian! Methinks you may sometimes post anonymously, too? Just a guess.

"A common set of facts"? What does that entail?

At 6:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok's me again.

What's your vote? But if you feel it is so liberating, then so be it.

I am Charles Winkler....

well no....that's not it....oh yeah, it's me Glenn Funky Simmons...naaaah that's not it either.

Take another look at my post....tell me if it is that offensive really.

You seem to have a low threshold for composure. (And that's a hint)

Isn't it good to have an honest dialogue? If ideas aren't enough for you then say so....I'll quit this blog. Just say the word and make your world a better place.....or not.

Your vote?

At 7:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

call me 4:31 if you need a name. I did not write anything that deserved your "smear" comment. Where is the smear? I just wonder, how do the lefties reconcile in their own heads the fact that more competition will bring prices down, and that helps poor people, and they are against that? It is puzzling to me. That is an honest question. And no, I won't use my real name, I have done that too, and it brings the kooks to you.

At 7:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

C'mon Carol

Give it up.

You're long on opinions and short on detail.

Do you vote the guy/woman/blogger out or in?

I vote:

NO - I'd like to hear more from this Anonymous ahole.

At 9:53 PM, Blogger Brian Morrissey said...

The “common set of facts” I referred to are those facts laid out by the EIR and the associated process.

As for posting anonymously – rarely, on topics that my role as “spokesperson for the Marina Center” would take away from the dialogue. Although I sporadically read a number of blogs, I only post on three blogs, Fred’s, Eric’s and Richard Mark’s. In my opinion, posting anonymous nastiness is far too rampant.

I hope your back and neck are feeling better.

At 10:13 PM, Blogger Carol Ann said...

Thanks, Brian. You are welcome to post on Greg's List, too.

I look forward to reading the EIR when it comes out. Again, Have a Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to Fred!

Happy New Year to Anons!

At 10:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks carol...


At 2:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone would be wise to Practice Random Acts of Kindness online, too.

At 9:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Carol,

YOU went on the attack last night, labeling those who disagreed with Mark Lovelace's comments and analyisis as "smears", and you have YET to RESPOND to those who have commented on these unsubstantiated claims of yours.
In your next post, you "answer" with:

"I'm not asking you to stop commenting anonymously. But would you write your comment so venomously if you signed your name to it? I don't mind lively discussion either. It can be great entertainment!"

Carol, once again, where is the Venom????Disagreement and intellectual debate are not venom...neither is calling you full of it, when you trot out these tired labels.

You say you dont mind lively discussion, yet you refuse to discuss specific points, addressing your lableing of people...

I've seen three or four posts other than my own calling you on this, and you refuse to reply with any semblance of intellectual honesty...

At 10:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting reading from all sides. I have already bought stuff at Home Depot in Crescent City, also buy from Myrtletown Lumber, Pierson's, Ace and others. Bought a lawnmower and generator from Costco. Somehow it did not put Miller Farms out of business.

Hope the council can come to a consensus but it may be 2 to 2. Interesting that Virginia could be the tie breaker for a long time. Anyone for contacting Guiness world records as the council might not have a new council member until an election (if that part gets forced) and a record could be set for tie breaker votes.

At 12:08 PM, Anonymous Mous Anony said...

Carol, the anonymous bloggers are not going to go away. Haranging us is not going to magically place our given names on the post. Remember, the blogsphere was set up with the anonymous button for some reason or another. I personally need some level of anonymity because of relationships with my business clients. That's just the way it is.
But if it makes you happy...I will always sign with Mous Anony to seperate myself from the anonymous masses.

(Hanging my head in shame) "I am a scurrilous coward.

Now, back to the blog discussion.
Polly Endert. Good Choice.

At 1:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Larry has the potential of being a statesman. Chris, however, I expect to behave like a three year old.

At 2:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure I agree with 1:13 pm about Larry as someone previously said that Larry sold the "no Arkleyville" stickers. He well may be a "one trick pony".

As far as some of us posting anonymously, I agree that it may be for different purposes - business, remaining independent (and anonymous) for a reason and not for just we don't want anyone to know who we are.

It will be interesting to see how the council meeting turns out. Endert (I don't know her) seems like a good person and a good choice from what I have read. (Of course, you can't always believe what you read) I am keeping an open mind to the selection process and I believe that is what coming to a concensus is about also.

Is it divided we stand or divided we fall?

At 12:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Somebody tell Fred to quit kissing Arkley's ass, please. Damn, Fred. Are you that big of a coward?

At 1:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

gee, that really makes sense 12:59...

At 12:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I noticed that one of the screening committee members was Jack Rieke, the owner of Schafer's hardward. I know he isn't quite a Pierson's but as a business owner who might be affected by the new store I'm sure he brought an interesting viewpoint.

At 10:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard that Schafer's would like to be next to Home Depot as they carry lots of things that HD does not and might increase business.

At 12:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, like what might Schafers carry that HD doesn't? Furniture! Schafers will no longer be a hardware store. It will be a furniture store.

At 3:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was sad to see a nice kid, like Kris was when he became a councileman, fall prey to the big money and corruption in our area. Like a drug addicted moth to the flame of becomming a political star,we all watched as he has changed into a testy,unatractive,and predicable tool of the big money special intrest groups EPIC,Earth First,Serria Club,,Center for Biological Deversity,etc,etc,etc. Kris as with any other addiction,to get your soul back you have to turn away from the evil that corrupts you. There is a better way. Your new mayor has shown you a path. All you have to do is take the first step. I for one would love to see the good Kris again.

At 3:59 PM, Anonymous Dennis Mayo said...

I wanted to respond to Marks comments on sales,jobs,etc, with Home Depot. What you said "May "have some foundation to it---however---- consider the unknown equation if you will. Do you know how many of us travel to Redding,Santa Rosa,Cresent City,Grants Pass to shop for big ticket items? Do you have an idea of the possible number of shoppers from Cresent City, Klamath, Hoopa,Douglas City west, Garberville,Laytonville,ect who would come to Eureka on a much more regular basis to shop at a facility they now go elsewhere to shop at? I know this will happen,I can't say to what extent,but I really think it will be substancial. The added commercial spin off form these types of destination shopper is a well know boost to restaurants,ect. I really think that the increase in sales tax revenue will be also substancial. As for putting other mon&pops out,I have looked carefully while I was out of the area at Home depot and the type of product that most of us shop for at Thomas home Center, & Ace Hardeware is different. We buy many small items in many different trips. that will not change. Home Depot isn't the place I'd go to for some home plumbing repair parts,as an example. Mark I really don't care one way or another about it, but it seems to me that many ,you included, are awfully fixated on an anti-Arkley. anti-ballon trac development that the possibility of some good intended and unintended consequences seems to be blurred by your mission. Just an opinion,with the intention of getting folks to look beyond one possible outcome.

At 4:12 PM, Blogger Carol Ann said...

Dennis, please read this, as you may find it enlightening:

At 5:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is Kris?

At 8:52 PM, Anonymous dennis said...

carol ann, I will read your posted info. While I get a chance to digest it would you consider with an open mind the points I raised. I've been around a long time now and have functioned in a wide range of jobs,communities,and have changed my mind on many occasions,usually I have learned from my owm mistakes,and watching the sucesses of others. Keep an open mind. You never know what may happen.

At 9:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry I mispelled Cris,in Dutch we often use Kris


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