Thursday, August 04, 2016

Johnson Pulls Votes From Clinton?

I read yet another comment this morning in the Santa Rosa Press- Democrat that a vote for Gary Johnson will get Hillary Clinton elected. I had to reply most polls I've been hearing of has Johnson pulling votes from both Trump and Clinton equally.

This CNN article seems to reinforce that:

"Gary Johnson is actually drawing just as much support from self-identified Democrats as he does from Republicans. And polls that include Johnson actually show a slight decrease in Clinton's lead over Trump.

"Libertarianism is more than just an economic ideology. It's a social one. And many Libertarian social positions -- an openness to immigration, an embrace of equal rights for gay, lesbian, and transgender persons, a hostility toward the war on drugs and American militarism abroad, and support for women's reproductive rights -- are arguably more progressive than the average Democrat. Libertarians were supporting marriage equality and marijuana legalization, for instance, long before any mainstream politician -- Clinton included -- would touch those issues.

As I also pointed out in the Press- Democrat, Clinton is pretty much assured to win California and its electoral votes so wasting your vote on another candidate won't make much difference after all is said and done.

11 Comments:

At 3:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Libertarianism is too vague an ideology. Anarcho-capitalism, libertarian socialism, the Steiner-Vallentyne school, objectivism...

How would you recommend I go about converting those close to me to the Libertarian school of political philosophy?

Any help, I'm failing miserably.

 
At 3:49 PM, Blogger Richard said...

According to 538 report: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ Johnson at 6.6% of the popular vote! Wow!

 
At 4:43 PM, Blogger ULLR Rover said...

Anonymous - unfortunately, since the populace has been so well trained, libertarian philosophy does not fit nicely into quick sound bites. But, basically, the approach, from within the framework of the Republic, is that fundamental control of our lives derive from the individual. So, the government is a ground up creation, not a top down system of control that the elephants and donkeys have so hammered into everyone's heads.

The difficulty lies with the idea that most people believe the "state" is some sort of omnipotent benifactor with insight beyond the simple plebs. The truth is the government is made of humans with all the faults of every other human. The problem with a bigger government is the faults are amplified. Keep the government small and the problems created by the government stay small. Power for the People or power for the state....

 
At 5:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuel for the debate. Thanks ULLR Rover

 
At 8:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 'waste your vote' canard is getting old. The only wasted vote is one cast for a candidate you don't support.

 
At 7:28 AM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

"The difficulty lies with the idea that most people believe the "state" is some sort of omnipotent benifactor with insight beyond the simple plebs. The truth is the government is made of humans with all the faults of every other human. The problem with a bigger government is the faults are amplified. Keep the government small and the problems created by the government stay small. Power for the People or power for the state"

Exactly

 
At 8:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is absolutely no reason to not vote your conscience.
I am voting for original intent liberty, by voting for Darrell Castle. I refuse to vote for anything less.

I found this informative. Do with it what you will. It's not a dig, it's important info.
Cnn interview, johnson said "Last night Johnson said America would basically be getting two presidents for the price of one. They'd share a staff and make decisions together, etc. Is this something they've said before? I didn't think we signed on for Weld to be co-president!"

Bill weld was my role model repeatedly, liberty hangout. https://www.facebook.com/LibertyHangout/videos/1756076304605951/?hc_location=ufi

 
At 2:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Julie Borowski critiques the cnn interview. She mentions many of the libertarian concepts that are missing in the campaign. Cute, worth the watch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-lmPr8UfvR0

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At 2:59 PM, Blogger Fred Mangels said...

"Julie Borowski critiques the cnn interview. She mentions many of the libertarian concepts that are missing in the campaign. Cute, worth the watch."

Nicely done, indeed. Kinda wondered if that was our very own Sally Sheffield with her bubbly personality but, no, it wasn't.

I agree with mos of her observations.Lots of fumbles and missed opportunities in that town hall. I was especially livid about the prostitution question. An easy out would have been to simply point out prostitution laws are a state, not presidential, issue.

He could have also easily pointed out that people's sexual activities are their personal business, whether money is involved or not. Easy enough to understand for most people, I would think.

Juar like I feel he fumbled questions about pot. He should just say government shouldn't be telling people what they can eat, drink or smoke. But, no, he goes off on some convoluted explanation about more research needed. Seemed chickenshit to me.

If his statements in the town hall and elsewhere tell me anything it's that his circle of friends and acquaintances are likely hard left wing types. Thus, he adopts some of their air headed political thought and can't seem to cut through the fog to more simple answers.

But, as I already wrote, I wasn't as embarrassed as I expected to be.

 
At 11:14 PM, Blogger Sally Sheffield said...

Aww, thanks Fred. That is one of the nicest comments ever made about me. It really gave me a sense of belonging, which I lack from moving so much. Humboldtians are super special people 😃

 
At 1:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice review, Fred.
Like many have painfully said, Gary doesn't grasp what liberty means. As long as the regulatory agencies keep coming up with more & more junk studies to justify regulating & over taxing, Gary is more than happy to oblige them.
I listened to a Castle interview (no surprise to you by now) the other day on Madison's rebel show & Castle said The government has no right to decide smoking or non smoking, it's the business owners right. He wants all govt out of all areas of citizens lives. He can only rein back the feds, it's our jobs to rein in the states.

 

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