That Gender Pay Gap
We keep hearing of the gender pay gap where women are paid less for the same work as men. I've wrote here before, to my knowledge I've never seen that happen with jobs I've had.
When I worked at Sabrina's Restaurant in Eureka back in the 70s, everyone earned minimum wage, with the waitresses coming out sometimes considerably ahead with tips. When I worked security at Humboldt Bay Power Plant, guys and gals earned the same per hour. Whatever military service I had, same thing. I never saw a gender pay gap.
The National Center for Policy Analysis seems to think the gender pay gap is real, but not because of any kind of discrimination. They suggest it's the kind of work chosen:
" What these statistics reveal is not what people are being paid for the same work, but what the average full-time working woman makes against the average full-time working man. It ignores differences in occupation. The average surgeon makes more than the average librarian, so if more men choose to be surgeons and more women choose to be librarians (which they do), this will be reflected in their average wage"
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ignores differences in occupation. The average surgeon makes more than
the average librarian, so if more men choose to be surgeons and more
women choose to be librarians (which they do), this will be reflected in
their average wage. This difference is due to their professional
choices. It is, in fact, unequal pay for unequal work - See more at:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/the-disappearing-gender-pay-gap#sthash.19LC1FtA.dpuf
It
ignores differences in occupation. The average surgeon makes more than
the average librarian, so if more men choose to be surgeons and more
women choose to be librarians (which they do), this will be reflected in
their average wage. This difference is due to their professional
choices. It is, in fact, unequal pay for unequal work. - See more at:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/the-disappearing-gender-pay-gap#sthash.19LC1FtA.dpuf
I dare say that the woman who chooses to be a surgeon gets paid the same as a male surgeon.That would make sense and they don't mention loss of work for maternity leave or other reasons that might put women at disadvantage in the pay game.
posted by Fred Mangels @ 7:51 AM
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12 Comments:
Now spend the same amount of time consuming non-conservative non-libertarian news sources that discuss the mountain of research that comes to the opposite conclusion. You owe it to yourself.
I'm a woman and I've seen it my entire working life. Men doing the same job as myself making more money even when they were new to the job.
Maybe you two could give me some real life examples? As I already wrote, I've never seen it in my experience. Granted, I haven't had that many jobs, but those that I have had everyone was paid the same.
Ok Fred, you poor innocent. I'll give you an example from real life. I worked for PacTel in their San Jose marketing office. The men were classified as marketing reps, the women were classified as marketing clerks and paid half as much. THEY DID EXACTLY THE SAME WORK.
Based on your extensive experience as a woman?
I have worked in places where it was forbidden to discuss how much you were paid. Since salaries were negotiated on an individual basis, it made a certain amount of sense (from the employer's view, anyway).
I think that may also be where there is a problem. If you don't know what the true average salary for a position is, you may be making less than the fellow in the cubical next to you doing the same work.
So, IF women are not as savvy with the initial negotiation when getting the job then there is plenty of room for this kind of discrimination.
Of course, Fred would no doubt argue that would be the fault of the woman, not the system.
Gender pay accusationa will always exist no matter what.
Why?
Because millions of women say so for social retardation retribution purposes.
Think about it, as long as everyone IS NOT PAID EXACTLY THE SAME, the argument of gender pay gaps will always exist as a tactical card to play for sociopolitical issues.
Sociopolitical issues are a progressive liberals wet dream.
Ah, but back in the 1950's, inclusion also used etiquette.....like madam chair at a political function.
More PC BULLSHIT, BY A FEMINIST NO LESS.
No two people "EVER DO EXACTLY THE SAME WORK, OR AMOUNTS THEREOF", just sayin'.
Yes, and because desk jobs are so plentiful and pushing paper as mules of society is classified as "work", hardly the manly labor of blood, sweat and tears.
Just think, without men, women would not have all these job opportunities because.......da da ding....
Women aint gonna build society, it is too hard physically for them, mentally with equation applications on site converted to tool usages, etc...
Women, as a majority, are still inferior at physical, mental/intelligence applied societal jobs....old schoolers call it "mason-esqueless".
Women are making gains though, albeit gubbamint agency jobs where labor output is treated as equal no matter what. Jobs like CCC,DFW,Fire Districts, Police Agencies, Cal Fire, other more physical jobs (non sit on your ass paper pushing, air conditioned desk pampering)
Yes, and because desk jobs are so plentiful and pushing paper as mules of society is classified as "work", hardly the manly labor of blood, sweat and tears.
Just think, without men, women would not have all these job opportunities because.......da da ding....
Women aint gonna build society, it is too hard physically for them, mentally with equation applications on site converted to tool usages, etc...
Women, as a majority, are still inferior at physical, mental/intelligence applied societal jobs....old schoolers call it "mason-esqueless".
Women are making gains though, albeit gubbamint agency jobs where labor output is treated as equal no matter what. Jobs like CCC,DFW,Fire Districts, Police Agencies, Cal Fire, other more physical jobs (non sit on your ass paper pushing, air conditioned desk pampering)
"For the current graduating class of 2013, the Department of Education estimates that women will earn 61.6% of all associate’s degrees this year, 56.7% of all bachelor’s degrees, 59.9% of all master’s degrees, and 51.6% of all doctor’s degrees. Overall, 140 women will graduate with a college degree at some level this year for every 100 men."
Going forward women are going to get more of the best jobs simply because they are more prepared.
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